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AlohaPizzaJack

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Knuckles-Fajita

All this talk of Persona 5 and now the Witcher 3 and some weird Assassins Creed compilation just have me wondering.

Did no one learn anything from expecting Metroid last year? Or Eurogamer swearing that Pokemon Stars was a consumer product? Or Dark Souls 3? What about Destiny 2? Call of Duty?

What about Mario Maker?

All these games rumours said were coming, with no evidence or basis in reality, and people got disappointed.

I reckon y'all should start reeling in expectations.

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In case you haven’t been around the forum long enough, you’ll see in time that we get into some pretty heavy debates, ranging from video game theory, mathematics, religion, etc. But... we never discuss politics. That’s a sure fire way to lead discussion into the dumpster.

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subpopz

EvilLucario wrote:

I'm all for exclusives to entice consumers, but some cases of exclusivity just make me scratch my head. Like, if given the opportunity, wouldn't you want more places to get people to buy your game?

It doesn't entice me at all. There's a couple games exclusive to PS4 I wouldn't mind playing, but I'm okay with not ever playing them because I don't want drop the money to buy a PS4 just for a couple games and will otherwise be a paperweight. Unless the games are funded or paid exclusives, I don't get why third party wouldn't want to be on any system that's viable for profit.

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JaxonH

@subpopz
In a rational, free market world, there isn’t any reason not to.

Buuuuut.... we live in a world where emotion affects decision making. And I’m not talking about developers who simply don’t have the financial means to bring their game to all platforms. That’s a monetary-based decision. I’m talking about the developers that choose not to because of the emotions they feel toward a certain platform. And this is far more prevalent than I think most people are willing to acknowledge.

I say drop everything on everything. If a game sells poorly enough that future ports are unjustified, then fine. Don’t bring any future entries. Totally understandable. But aside from that, drop everything on everything. Take all the Nintendo exclusive games and drop them on PS and Xbox, like Octopath and No More Heroes and Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate, The World Ends With You, Civilization VI, Ultra Street Fighter II, Shin Megami Tensei V, etc. But in return, take all the PS/MS exclusive games and drop them on Nintendo, like Persona 5, Nier, No No Kuni 2, Street Fighter V, Yakuza, etc

And be done with it.

Let funded exclusive games and the unique benefits of each platform be the selling point. I want to be able to play any game on any system I choose. I think competitor platforms have a vested interest in keeping as many games off Switch as possible though (well, it’s not even an “I think”, it’s an “I know”, because of course they do, they’re competitors, duh), or ensuring it receives a delayed release, because so many people would rather choose that version. So it’s in their interest to wipe that choice off the table, or at least scoop up timed exclusivity to trick people into thinking there is no choice available. Which... that’s a whole other discussion there. Something that pisses me off to no end. Like... they are so afraid of consumers being given a choice, that consumers won’t choose their version, so they castrate choice from the marketplace in order to force the consumer’s hand. The way I see it is, if your platform is so good then you shouldn’t be afraid of consumers being given a choice. People will naturally choose it because it’s the best place to play a game. It’s something Sony, for example, frequently boasts about, being “the best place to play”. But they don’t really believe what they’re saying because if they did, they wouldn’t be signing so many timed exclusivity contracts, eliminating choice from consumers. And everyone does it to everyone, it’s just that nowadays with Sony as market leader and Switch as the new emergent threat, that’s where we’re seeing it happen the most now. Next generation when Microsoft becomes a viable threat again, we will start seeing it between Sony and Microsoft much more than we are now.

And that’s where I feel we could use some regulation in the industry. Enough with the timed exclusive nonsense. If a company wants to out right fund a game as an exclusive for their platform, totally fine (Bloodborn, Bayonetta 2, Sunset Overdrive, etc) But there should be laws prohibiting timed exclusivity contracts and/or contracts which specifically exclude certain platforms. It’s one thing to fund an exclusive, it’s another to pay a company money to not release a game on a competitor’s platform. Not that I think we’ll ever see anyone admit to that because the publicity would be horrible (the one example I can think of is Rise of the Tomb Raider, which they paid money to specifically not release on the PlayStation, and the backlash was predictably a fiasco). But... ya. I think we’d see more equilibrium if such practices were prohibited. I see it as foul play that perverts the natural order of free markets, where a product is made and consumers vote with their wallets on what they want. And I’m not targeting any specific platform or company here. Because practically all the bigger companies play hardball like this nowadays. It wouldn’t stop the emotional aspect but, it would at least level the playing field a little bit more.

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AlohaPizzaJack

@JaxonH Yeah I stick around for the community mostly

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AlohaPizzaJack

Knuckles-Fajita wrote:

All this talk of Persona 5 and now the Witcher 3 and some weird Assassins Creed compilation just have me wondering.

Did no one learn anything from expecting Metroid last year? Or Eurogamer swearing that Pokemon Stars was a consumer product? Or Dark Souls 3? What about Destiny 2? Call of Duty?

What about Mario Maker?

All these games rumours said were coming, with no evidence or basis in reality, and people got disappointed.

I reckon y'all should start reeling in expectations.

I learned to temper my expectations after years of waiting on an Western release of Mother 3. Or, ya know, Beyond G&E sequel (it’s not real). 😂

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JaxonH

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I would certainly hope people learn their lesson with regard to most of those examples.

And what is the lesson to be learned?

1 don’t automatically believe everything you hear

2 even when there is evidence to support it, make sure you’re only believing in the possibility

And I agree 110% people should learn their lessons from those things, most of which had no basis in actual fact or logic or evidence.

People should also learn their lesson with the countless leaks and rumors that have proven to be true. ESPECIALLY those based around actual evidence, credible sources and/or logical deductions made from first hand observations and facts. Things like LA Noire (true), Smash 4 DLC (true), Dark Souls Switch (true), Monster Hunter going to PS4 (true), etc etc

And what lesson should be learned

1 don’t ignorantly stick your head in the sand and disbelieve everything no matter how much evidence points towards it being true or you’ll end up cleaning even more egg off your feathered face

2 just because you believe it’s likely and possible does NOT equate to championing something as 100% fact

There are some here who I don’t think they learned from ANY of those lessons. In fact I would say some here can’t discern the difference between rumor and logical deductions based on verifiable evidence. If some Joe Schmoe came out of the wood Work and said “Persona 5 is coming to Switch” I’d be preaching the very thing knuckles is saying. But that’s not the case here. This isn’t regurgitating rumors some nameless Joe Schmoe pronounced on the Internet, this is probability analysis based on logical deduction and reason, based on things we can see with our own eyes and hear with our own ears. Of course I wouldn’t expect someone like him to think critically, or even understand the difference.

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ReaderRagfish

If you buy into leaks, you're pleased when they end up being true and disappointed when they're proven false.

If you don't buy into leaks, you're pleased when they end up being true but still not disappointed when they're proven false.

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That’s only true if you take it all as 100% certainties, and then associate your hopes with what you [irresponsibly] believe to be certain.

If someone is too immature to separate logic and reason and what they hash out as statistically probable outcomes from unrestrained hope, hype and excitement, then maybe they should follow such a rule.

But to anyone mature enough to separate hope from likely outcome, and doesn’t believe in absolutes, who can draw a line between believing something is statistically probable and investing all of their hope-eggs into that basket... it’s not a problem.

I have never been disappointed based on probability analysis, because I never take a leak or reasonable, evidence based conclusion as 100% certain (though I have, at times in the past, got excited for things that didnt pan out, that was the fault of me being irresponsible with my expectations running rampant, which is a separate issue). But I’m not going to defy logic and rational analysis just to prevent my “poor dear little hopes from being crushed”... screw that nonsense. We’re adults here. If I think something is probable, if I think something is likely... I’m not going to pretend otherwise just because I’m too emotionally insecure to realize it’s not a given, (therefore don’t get your hopes up like it is)

It just goes back to the “Believe the worst case scenario of everything so that you’re never disappointed” as being the most insecure and immature attitude one could possibly have. I intend to believe reality, and my mind will make statistical judgments on the likelihood of probable outcomes based on evidence I see. And if I see something that registers as being a probable outcome, I’m going to believe it’s a probable outcome. Doesn’t mean I’m going to start making threads saying “Get hyped! Game XYZ is coming!”. No. Just means I recognize it as a having a likelihood of occurrence, based on the analysis in my mind.

Of course, all of this is also based on the fact I don’t treat it like a binomial choice in the first place. There is no “buy into leaks” or “don’t buy into leaks”. There is only “buy into the specific ones that seem probable and supported by credible/reliable sources and/or evidence... and don’t buy into the rest”. And the ones you buy into, you’re not buying into them 100%, you’re buying into a probable outcome. Same for reasonable, evidence-based conclusions. Persona 5 on Switch was not “leaked”... nobody “leaked” it. It was a reasonable, evidence-based conclusion people have come to based on the facts given. Now. If someone so chooses to get their hopes up and start getting hyped over that, they’ve got no one but themselves to blame if it doesn’t come through and their hopes are crushed. As for myself, I simply recognize it as a probable outcome. And that’s important for people to do. Because some people might be planning to go buy another system for this game and they’re going to be kicking themselves later if this gets announced in a few months. So by recognizing the probable outcome they can make a better choice. By the same token, if it doesn’t pan out, simply holding off a few months isn’t going to hurt them. This is a perfect example of why it’s irresponsible to stick our heads in the sand regarding leaks and evidence-based conclusions. We have a responsibility to analyze them logically, come to reasonable conclusions, and ultimately ascribe a likelihood of the event occurring. Doesn’t mean the outcome will occur every single time (it’s just an analysis of probability), it just means that we are accounting for the possibility, and what the likelihood is that it occurs.

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Cobalt

Are you ready ? ^^

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Grumblevolcano

I wouldn't go as far as saying all 5 are 3rd party characters though. I think there'll be some 1st party promotional characters like Edelgard (Fire Emblem Three Houses) be part of the Fighters Pass. If it does end up being 5 3rd party characters, Nintendo must be getting desperate about 3rd party support.

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GrailUK

Well, if they have sorted out their issues with larger capacity cards, it could be we start to see more grandiose games coming in 2019. It was a little disappointing to hear they got delayed into next year, but hey, we are past 2018 and it wasn't so bad lol.

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Knuckles-Fajita

Nice to know Im getting crap for how Im approaching a situation from a guy who writes essays telling people they should be excited about various things.

Either way, if these games come, cool. Congratulations I guess. Lets enjoy them. You can say Im wrong and... good for you? I dont really care if Im wrong with "egg on my face" since thats not my concern.

Id rather be wrong and not hyped than hyped and disappointed. I dont see that as a bad thing, especially since I dont really take stock in what people feel towards a potential announcement.

But there is no harm in telling people to maybe temper their expectations.

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Tsurii

Am I missing something? lel
Kinda curious who embarrassed themselves there (I thought I know who it was but I'm either blind or they didn't actually reply to ya, Knuckles?)

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Anti-Matter

GrailUK wrote:

Well, if they have sorted out their issues with larger capacity cards, it could be we start to see more grandiose games coming in 2019. It was a little disappointing to hear they got delayed into next year, but hey, we are past 2018 and it wasn't so bad lol.

Later, we don't want to hear any excuses from developers to NOT put their games on the RIGHT Cartridge size and hopefully No More Partial Download games.

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FragRed

@GrailUK I hate to be that guy, but bigger cartridges won’t necessarily mean bigger games coming to the Switch, or developers/publishers making use of the larger cartridges. I know publishers said they were disappointed about the delay till 2019 but i believe it was because they hoped it would reduce the cost of the small sized cartridges. Basically I would expect the same partial download to continue.

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GrailUK

@FragRed Quite alright Mr Red. I hope publishers are more discerning than that but I must admit it is very difficult to not be cynical these days.

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MsJubilee

Tsurii wrote:

Am I missing something? lel
Kinda curious who embarrassed themselves there (I thought I know who it was but I'm either blind or they didn't actually reply to ya, Knuckles?)

Not a single person replied to this guy for the last 2 pages and he's crying about something. BLP just wants attention.

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