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Grumblevolcano

@IceClimbers It would probably turn into a rant about how bad Pokemon Gen 8 is

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JaxonH

Xenoblade 2 Torna really is like a 4th Xenoblade game.

I had heard people say that but I didn’t realize just how big this “expansion” really is. It’s bigger than some $60 games I’ve bought and played. And I know that reusing the Gormott Titan helps with that, but it’s kind of like how Fire Emblem Fates Birthright and Conquest were each full games, though they shared half of their assets and levels. Torna does share some assets with the base game, true, but they’ve rearranged it to make it feel fresh.

It just feels absolutely massive for a $20 expansion. I feel like I’m playing a full $60 Xenoblade game. And I know it’s way shorter and all but I’ve already put in like 20 freaking hours. I imagine I’ll be at 50 hours before I complete it. So sure, it’s a third of the length of a normal Xenoblade game, but compared to most games that’s the length of a full game

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Ralizah

@JaxonH Eh. The "free" games from Sony and Microsoft are often extremely high-quality, and subbing to those services is a great way to quickly develop a library for those systems. With regard to Switch... even if those "old games" were only worth $2 (I happily paid $5 for VC downloads of many of them on 3DS and don't regret the decision one bit), if you can find ten of them worth playing in a year, you've effectively gotten your money's worth from the subscription. And that's assuming you paid full price and didn't go in with someone else.

Of course, you don't "own" any of those games, but you don't technically "own" the digital games you buy, either.

Also, where'd you find Torna for $20? As far as I know, it's $29.99 for the season pass and $39.99 for the separate physical cart.

But yeah, it's an amazing campaign. A true "expansion," like we used to get for PC games.

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Ralizah

Knuckles-Fajita

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@JackEatsSparrows they do too but their are loads more benefits such as steeper discounts, free games, etc. PS3, Vita and Wii U had better online than switch for free.

I dunno. Im having nearly all matches in Smash be lag free. Cant be worse than Wii U when it freakjng runs properly

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@IceClimbers

Riot? I'd actually like that. Especially if it's a gateway to GBA games.

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subpopz

@IceClimbers I'd like it. Some NES games have been milked to death, while the Game Boy has not been nearly as much. I'd rather Mario Land 2 over Super Mario Bros.

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JaxonH

@Ralizah
Sometimes you get a high quality game. Many months it’s average stuff. And it’s almost always old stuff. It’s like Nintendo‘s rewards with 3DS and Wii U games. Sure, sometimes they are high-quality games... that 99% of people have already played. So it’s nothing more than a ruse to make it seem like you’re getting more value than you really are.

If it’s a game worth playing I guarantee you I’ve likely already purchased it. And even if I haven’t, if it’s worth playing I would make a point to purchase it so I could own it and play it whenever I want. You do own your digital games. You’re not going to wake up one morning and see them disappear because you stopped paying a recurring fee. The rental games will and do disappear if you don’t pay a recurring fee... forever.

If you don’t buy very many games, and you don’t care about actually owning them, and you look at games as something you “consume” like media, then maybe the rental games offer value to a person like that. But to someone like me who buys what I want when I want it, i’m already going to own anything of worthwhile value. And even if I don’t, if it’s good enough that I want to play it, then I’m going to want to own it anyways in which case I want to purchase it so I do own forever. The switch games are a little different because you can’t buy them separately, unlike other systems where you can buy them separately and they released a while back, and you’ve probably already played them anyways. Once in a while they throw you a bone but I don’t even waste my hard drive space with rentals. If it’s good enough but I want to devote precious time to playing it then I want it on my hard drive permanently, so that I’m not forced to play it within a time constraint as dictated by a recurring fee.

I don’t know if the expansion is $20. Maybe it’s 30. I just remember the season pass was 30 so I assume the Torna alone was less than that. But I don’t know for sure because I bought the entire expansion all in one purchase. Physical doesn’t matter because prices are increased for physical

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X1: DMC5
GPD Win 2: Fire Emblem Path of Radiance
3DS/Wii U/PS4/PSVR/Vita/PC/Rift: [nothing]

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nintendobynature

@link3710 thanks my man. I've also noticed when you back out of world of light a new challenger approaches. Not sure if that's every time or not though. I'm going to see if it happens each time or if you have to do x amount of matches and then back out.

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@Therad or even worse... when YOUR favorite character approaches and you fail! Just happened to me with toon link. I was using pikachu and I wasn't familiar with his move set.

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JaxonH

A new indiegogo is in effect for a copper heatsink mod for the Win 2, that you just swap out under the back panel, and supposedly reduces temperature by 15-21 degrees! That’s amazing. Because the systems can get a little toasty when you’re running really intense games. This mod also makes it possible to run on higher power profiles without overheating, meaning you can run more demanding games. It claims to get you an average of 10 to 12 FPS more than stock as well, so games will run smoother.

Just thought I’d mention this since Switch fans are typically fans of handheld gaming in general. A lot of progress is being made in the portable gaming arena, and not just with regard to mobile chip-based devices. I always like comparing and contrasting Switch and Win 2 because one is based on a purely mobile chipset, whereas the other is based on actual Windows 10 PC architecture. I wonder if the two will eventually converge into one.

In a few years, when Switch is 100% hacked with full control of the kernel, I wonder what kind of mods will come about to overclock and run at higher power profile settings. Something like that might require a physical mod to accompany it, such as a larger battery. But I don’t know if there’s room in the back of the Switch to accommodate a larger battery. Let’s hope the Switch Pro is real, and that it has a better battery.

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NOW PLAYING
NS: Trials Rising (masterpiece), Tales of Vesperia, NSMBU Deluxe
X1: DMC5
GPD Win 2: Fire Emblem Path of Radiance
3DS/Wii U/PS4/PSVR/Vita/PC/Rift: [nothing]

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GameOtaku

@JaxonH
I agree 100%! An account system is in place so it should be similar to crossbuy on PS3/PSP/Vita. Classic games (VC or whatever they want to call it) should transfer with no problems. As of now there's no way to own the classic games on switch. We honestly can't rely on 3rd parties to release collections, they are always going to be missing something (alpha 3 upper on SF collection, Sonic 3 Genesis collection, full physical megaman legacy collections missing the power fighters and battle and chase as well as adventure). Do they honestly think everyone will buy into this rental bullcrap?

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JaxonH

@GameOtaku
Well, people don’t really have a choice at the moment. So long as that remains true, I’d say yes, they will. By simple virtue of the fact there is no other alternative.

I think it’s a good idea and some people are probably OK with a Netflix style rental service. I don’t think the concept is bad. I just don’t think it should be the only way to obtain the games. Sell them separately. Assigned a monetary value to each of those games being provided. Not only will it make members of the service feel like they are receiving greater value because they can see the $ behind the price of each one of them, but it will satisfy people who actually want to own the games.

The problem with that, is any virtual console game released to be sold, would have to be provided in the service. People would go nuts if they released a game on the eShop but it didn’t come to Nintendo Online. And that’s a problem because some virtual Consol games require more work, especially if you’re talking about later generations. The only way to address that issue is to increase the cost of the service for including them (that’s not gonna go over well) or dont release the games at all (which despite being the worse of the two is the one that won’t see any backlash as a result, because people can’t miss what they don’t have).

At the end of the day, I’ve thrown my hands in the air and given up with respect to virtual console. Nintendo is not going to fulfill this need, and that’s that. So I took matters into my own hands and bought a handheld that would satisfy my needs. That would run SNES, GBA, N64. That would Run GameCube, Wii, and even PS2 and PSP. Screw it, ya know? I’m not gonna sit here and complain for the next five years about Nintendo not giving me something I want. I’m going to roll my sleeves up and actually do something about it. I’m going to have these games on a handheld, with Nintendo‘s blessing or not. I’ll be more than pleased to pay them for it if they want my money, but if they don’t... oh well then.

NOW PLAYING
NS: Trials Rising (masterpiece), Tales of Vesperia, NSMBU Deluxe
X1: DMC5
GPD Win 2: Fire Emblem Path of Radiance
3DS/Wii U/PS4/PSVR/Vita/PC/Rift: [nothing]

Jesus is Lord.

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GameOtaku

@JaxonH
Yeah they are really shooting themselves in the foot. Suing ROM sites yet not addressing the reason why people emulate. I'm sure going forward games would not need work on later systems (especially if they are emulated, the tech is going to get more powerful and more accurate). For some I could see why a Netflix style would appeal but I'd rather pay the price of admission and keep something over paying for the same content over and over for as long as it lasts then lose it and have all that cash go down the drain for nothing.

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Ralizah

Just waiting for the anger and disappointment when a Persona 5 announcement is made and it has nothing to do with the Switch. Nintendo fans really love setting themselves up for disappointment.

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Grumblevolcano

@Ralizah I doubt it has nothing to do with Switch otherwise there would've been no value in Nintendo picking Joker for Smash.

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Ralizah

@Grumblevolcano Cloud appeared in Smash years before the Switch and S-E deciding to port off several of the major Final Fantasy games. It was just a guest appearance. Why wouldn't the same be true here?

Ralizah

Anti-Matter

@Ralizah
The more baffling is, Why the heck FF VIII characters can appear in Beautiful 3D rendering on FF Dissidia, but SquareEnix CANNOT bring FF VIII HD remaster with sound quality from PS1 to PS4 & Switch ?

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Grumblevolcano

@Ralizah Sakurai chose the DLC characters for Smash 4, meanwhile Nintendo chose the Fighters Pass characters for Smash Ultimate so promotion is likely going to be a major factor this time around.

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Ralizah

@Anti-Matter No idea. I know VIII is the "black sheep" of the PS1 FF games, but outright passing it over when it comes to the HD ports just seems weird to me. It's not as hated as something like XIII, as far as I know.

@Grumblevolcano Don't forget that Persona Q2 is a thing. This could easily be seen as free promotion for that game when it releases in Western territories next year.

Atlus isn't developing the Catherine remake for Switch, even though doing so would make perfect sense. I don't see why a series that has never appeared on non-Playstation consoles (beyond spin-offs, anyway) would suddenly make the jump.

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subpopz

GameOtaku wrote:

@JaxonH
I agree 100%! An account system is in place so it should be similar to crossbuy on PS3/PSP/Vita. Classic games (VC or whatever they want to call it) should transfer with no problems. As of now there's no way to own the classic games on switch. We honestly can't rely on 3rd parties to release collections, full physical megaman legacy collections missing the power fighters and battle and chase as well as adventure). Do they honestly think everyone will buy into this rental bullcrap?

I never did anything crossbuy on PS3/Vita, but do those purchases also transfer ahead to PS4 and PS5?
In theory, the 'rental' delivery service could be better. On a service, you get everything and being a service it is not tied to the platform. As long as you're still subbed, you could still get everything when you go from Switch to Switch 2. Different tiers to get what you want. Each system having it's own fee, so you're not paying for/getting systems you don't want. The same fee to continue the access to the new gen has a big appeal VS owning the games, but having them locked to a single older system. Being a service doesn't even necessarily mean it'd need to be locked to Switch. An app for mobile and PC could be released (this isn't a realistic possibility, but it could be done, in theory). Or adding WiFi/Online and an app to future models of the classic systems and you can access your retro library on those. All you need to do is login.
They could also sell the games, but they'd be locked to Switch and cost more than if people went with the service. Similar to Netflix. You get a lot more for your money subscribing to streaming than you'd ever get buying movies - but it's still an option for those who want it.
There's a huge potential to what can be done with a service VS individual purchases, but therein lies the problem - Nintendo is sitting on huge potential to deliver something amazing and they're fumbling with just the basics of it, let alone what it could become.

Third party do seem to muck up their collections somehow. My biggest problem with the otherwise great Mega Man collection isn't with missing Power Fighters or B&C, it was because it was missing Mega Man & Bass. It's a side-story and a bit non-traditional with the boss selection, yes, but still fits into the main game timeline and it was a much better game than Mega Man 8.

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