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MFD

@YummyHappyPills This is the mid-section of the e-mail, I do not wish to show the name of the representative due to privacy: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/347646519878483969/405...

@YummyHappyPills And for that, XC2 sacrificed: https://www.resetera.com/threads/xenoblade-chronicles-2-staff...

The game needed more time in the oven, but it was denied.

@darkfenrir Here's the thing I must ask: Why is, what is basically the machine not able to handle what's going on, excused? It's the machine not being up to the task it's presented with, why is that excused and alright? Either a game is made to work with the hardware, or if the hardware isn't strong enough, you make sure there's enough power to fit the team's vision. If neither of these are done properly, frame-drops are the result.

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YummyHappyPills

@MFD I very much doubt that e-mail is real, given the horrendous spelling and customer service apparent almost immediately.

Odd how a Nintendo rep would refer to the company in third person, give such loose references to what Switch is, not spell check "Whether".

"In this case as you have guessed, even though we are consumers ourselves". That's not a very good PR response I'm afraid. Nor does that statement mean anything in context, especially since we don't see the email you sent, therefore we don't see what they are referring to.

When sourcing information please give whole context.

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MFD

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Now please, make it quick. Some things aren't meant to be out in the open, you know.

I am leaving now, so I'll remove the upload as well. You can look at it later when I return.

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Inertiacreep

@MFD you wrote nintendo crying about frame rates in xenoblade2? there must be something wrong with your switch dude, this game runs awesome.

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MFD

@Inertiacreep I see what I see, and I am not the only one. So think what you will, but these problems are not fake only because you don't experience them.

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YummyHappyPills

@MFD One thing I will ask: which region is that

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darkfenrir

@MFD Well... I don't know about why those are excused or happened, but in general, some dips in framerates, almost always happen, I think. Although it's probably far more prevalent on bigger games, but it happen.

(And considering I don't have any idea on how hard it is to code game on this size...)

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NEStalgia

@MFD XCX isn't even the same art style. Same engine, yes, but it looks pretty different. Sure those games are 1st party. So is Uncharted, Halo, Horizon, Knack....they all drop frames. Again, it's a matter of developers not constraining their graphics effects to enforce fixed framerates at all times, and favoring still-frame beauty over smoothness. No doubt an artistic preference, but also probably pushed by the marketing people. It's a mentality across all developers and systems. I don't excuse it, quite the opposite, but Nintendo is hardly unique in this.

What Nintendo IS unique in is they seem to have more games that DON'T drop frames than any other single studio I can think of except maybe Platinum. Most studios don't have any games that DO keep steady frames. I just wish all their studios kept that standard. Of note, Zelda is the only one from the primary teams (the former R&D1&2) that drops frames visibly (and they patched the heck out of it, and it was a ported WiiU game), the others are Monolith (XC) (former Square guys bought by Nintendo), GameFreak (technically not Nintendo at all), etc.

But ultimately with Monolith and XC2 specifically, They're not "core" nintendo but a subsidiary fully owned. Their work culture isn't inextricable from Nintendos' and that's a good thing that gives them creative freedom. But also permits them flaws Nintendo wouldn't always include. Also, Monolith has NEVER been great at optimization, even before they were owned by Nintendo. They are also building XC on a smaller budget than a true AAA game like Zelda or Mario....they consider it an AA game. Finally ANY huge world relatively open game and especially an RPG will feature so many differing environments and situations, that for the dev team it's reasonable to expect they may say "well if we target this spec, this town over here, or these battle situations that happen 10% of the time may perform poorly, but overall, taht's 8-12% of the game with poor processing performance.......I think we can risk that to make the rest of the game what we want."

Zelda is a relevant discussion point but it's probably best to keep XC confined to its own discussion since it's a subsidiary that was not always Nintendo with prior examples of poor optimization on other hardware, and the type of gaming they're building is unique in bredth and scope within the Nintendo umbrella that will have some different considerations.

IMO Pokemon X&Y's performance deserves a lot more criticism given it's narrow scope and still being unable to keep up with the target hardware more often than not. But, as I said, GameFreak isn't even Nintendo and occasionally makes games for Sony hardware and PC as well.

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SLIGEACH_EIRE

This week's Media Create sales for Japan.

Software Sales

01./00. [NSW] Mario + Rabbids: Kingdom Battle (Nintendo) {2018.01.18} (¥5.980) - 66.692 / NEW
02./00. [PS4] Gintama Ranbu # (Bandai Namco Games) {2018.01.18} (¥7.600) - 38.443 / NEW
03./02. [NSW] Splatoon 2 # (Nintendo) {2017.07.21} (¥5.980) - 28.691 / 1.946.033 (-17%)
04./04. [NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (Nintendo) {2017.04.28} (¥5.980) - 26.365 / 1.264.800 (+15%)
05./00. [PSV] Gintama Ranbu # (Bandai Namco Games) {2018.01.18} (¥6.800) - 23.417 / NEW
06./01. [PS4] Dissidia: Final Fantasy NT (Square Enix) {2018.01.11} (¥7.800) - 20.433 / 126.100 (-81%)
07./03. [NSW] Super Mario Odyssey # (Nintendo) {2017.10.27} (¥5.980) - 18.972 / 1.555.312 (-33%)
08./05. [3DS] Pokemon Ultra Sun / Ultra Moon (Pokemon Co.) {2017.11.17} (¥4.980) - 16.790 / 1.515.299 (-22%)
09./06. [3DS] Mario Party: The Top 100 (Nintendo) {2017.12.28} (¥4.980) - 11.454 / 135.773 (-44%)
10./07. [NSW] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild # (Nintendo) {2017.03.03} (¥6.980) - 9.502 / 824.728 (-23%)
11./09. [3DS] Yo-kai Watch Busters 2: Hihou Legend Banbarayaa - Sword / Magnum (Level 5) {2017.12.16} (¥4.800) - 9.262 / 483.098 (+18%)
12./00. [PS4] Street Fighter V: Arcade Edition (Capcom) {2018.01.18} (¥4.990) - 7.908 / NEW
13./08. [PS4] Earth Defense Force 5 (D3Publisher) {2017.12.07} (¥7.800) - 6.472 / 218.602 (-40%)
14./11. [PS4] Call of Duty: WWII # (Sony Interactive Entertainment) {2017.11.03} (¥7.900) - 5.890 / 375.084 (-18%)
15./10. [NSW] Arms (Nintendo) {2017.06.16} (¥5.980) - 4.951 / 351.631 (-33%)
16./12. [NSW] 1-2-Switch (Nintendo) {2017.03.03} (¥4.980) - 4.401 / 382.320 (-36%)
17./43. [NSW] Pokken Tournament DX (Pokemon Co.) {2017.09.22} (¥5.980) - 4.311 / 209.965
18./13. [3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf - Welcome amiibo (Nintendo) {2016.11.23} (¥2.700) - 3.405 / 365.914 (-29%)
19./00. [PS4] Valkyria Chronicles Remastered [New Price Edition] (Sega) {2018.01.18} (¥1.990) - 3.346 / NEW
20./14. [NSW] Xenoblade Chronicles 2 # (Nintendo) {2017.12.01} (¥7.980) - 3.081 / 175.757 (-31%)

I'll update with the hardware sales shortly. Great debut for Mario + Rabbids: Kingdom Battle in Japan.

Hardware Sales(last week's sales in brackets)

Switch – 43,027 (37,500)
PS4 – 37,572 (32,890)
PS4 Pro – 14,935 (10,918)
New 2DS LL – 7,302 (9,929)
Vita – 4,256 (4,388)
New 3DS LL – 3,563 (5,270)
Xbox One X – 1,285 (6)
2DS – 1,250 (1,656)
Xbox One – 103 (107)

http://www.4gamer.net/games/117/G011794/20180124062/

Second week in a row PS4's combined sales have beaten Switch. It was Switch domination before that. The XB1X sales seen a big spike this week comparitively speaking.

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RR529

I noticed a slight dip occasionally in Torigoth here and there, but that's about it, and I probably played more in handheld mode than docked mode.

Then again, as I primarily played on 3DS for the past 6 years (with the odd 360 title sprinkled in) I didn't even mind the sub-HD resolution as it was still better than what I was used to, so maybe I'm just more tolerant of that sort of thing.

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Grumblevolcano

The next few weeks for charts are going to be very interesting because Monster Hunter World. We'll see if Capcom's risky decision to pick PS4/XB1 over Nintendo pays off.

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Azooooz

@Grumblevolcano I think it will, but not as high as 3DS level of sales.

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SLIGEACH_EIRE

Monster Hunter is its own thing. It nearly always sells well, like monstrous sales especially in Japan and sells huge amounts of hardware. I suspect XB1 could have its biggest hardware sales since launch next week. The jump this week could have been people gearing up for it already.

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Ralizah

I haven't noticed too many framerate dips in XC2 in either mode. It happens occasionally, of course, but rarely to the point that it's distracting.

I'm unhappy with the game's resolution in handheld mode, but it only dips into the super low range in a few of the more open areas. Torigoth and the wider Gormott Province seems to be the worst in this regard.

While I do think it's unacceptable for an exclusive to perform so poorly on hardware it was developed from the ground up to run on, I am also one of those people who prefers portability + some resolution dips to no resolution dips on a pure home console. Granted, it shouldn't be an either/or situation, considering it's an exclusive and should be developed with the system's undocked specs in mind.

Considering most games run beautifully on the hardware, I'm not too worried.

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YummyHappyPills

Just ahead of Linux. We are officially off of the bottom rung.

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SLIGEACH_EIRE

It sounds great until you see it's just 12%. How many of these games are Indies as opposed to the big 3rd parties? I'd say most of them and smart phone games as well getting ports.

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YummyHappyPills

It didn't say it was great.

I said hooray, we are now above the least used and ported OS on a PC. The bottom rung returns to Linux. We have moved up one space.

Never said it was good.

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1% of developers are making games for the WiiU...did nobody tell them the news?

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