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MFD

@Zyrac I'm not necessarily displeased with the console, but I'm very keenly aware of what sacrifices were made in the name of it's handheld component. Something that doesn't at all benefit the home-console crowd. That and the possibility of devs wanting to emphasize one of these two aspects: http://nintendoeverything.com/game-freak-excited-to-see-the-m...

I'd say that's a very dangerous thing for Game Freak to be looking for "the main way to play the Switch" which is can easily become "emphasizing that". Again, favouritism, handheld above home-console, etc.

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IceClimbers

They're definitely not releasing docked only games. It dilutes the core concept of the system far more than a couple of handheld only games that rely on the touchscreen.

Also, let's put this discussion to rest: the Switch is BOTH a handheld and a home console. Not one or the other, but both. It's a hybrid device. The successor to both the 3DS and the Wii U.

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MFD

@IceClimbers And yet, if you look at above post, they're looking for a "main way to play" a very dangerous thing indeed. Game freak might as well be putting an axe to the tree that is Switch to prepare it's splitting into 2 camps with that one. They should do well to tread lightly. Very lightly.

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NEStalgia

@electrolite77 @Nincompoop Wireless VR, ohh goodie! High bandwidth radio transmitters positioned right over our brains! All in the name of entertainment! I can hardly wait! (Now's the time to invest in neuropathic oncology related businesses and drugs!)

An external GPU only works if the USB-C on the Switch is capable of Thunderbolt 3 with eGPU support or an nVidia proprietary equivalent. Somehow given the fact that they saved a buck by dropping BT audio, that seems pretty unlikely to me. I'd guess you'd have to buy the upgraded Switch. Which means they can't make it essential. Desktop grade eGPU docks come in huge cases with tons of cooling. I really doubt it would be desktop grade if it were to exist. It would be a mobile geforce (laptop/Surface Book) variant if anything.) But its VERY VERY unlikely the bus actually supports that kind of bandwidth anyway. eGPU is just not for prime time unless it was built as a core design. We don't know for sure it wasn't, but giving the price points and cuts they made it's exceedingly unlikely.

Nintendo stuck with the same general 3DS hardware for 6 years and only now at the end of life are there some games that require the very minor bump of the n3DS (which was really bumped for menu/multitasking performance more than game performance.) I don't think Nintendo has any qualms about sticking with "very outdated low spec hardware" for long durations so long as games are selling. 3DS is still moving games into its 7th year and it was more obsolete on launch than Switch.

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Therad

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@Ralizah

I agree. I've got a PS4 Pro and it's a really nice upgrade but at £450 for the XB1X they've put it at a level where, if I was going to spend the money, I'd just flog my XB1S and PS4 Pro and spend the £800 on a PC.

Technically you get more to spend since pc doesn't have online subs. And quite frequently games are $10 or so cheaper.

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IceClimbers

@UmniKnight You're reading into something that isn't there. All Game Freak said is that they're looking forward to seeing how people play Pokemon on the Switch more. That's all. There's no favoritism conspiracy theories going on here

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MFD

@IceClimbers From one thing comes the other. The article did say where, more so then how, but the fact remains that looking for a favoured mode in the Switch is to split it in half. There should be no favoured here.

And yet that is exactly what they're doing. I can't imagine Game Freak would care to look for a "main way to play" beyond wanting to do something with it.

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Therad

Nincompoop wrote:

@Therad It's more likely that Nintendo will sell a New dock with GPU built into it if they really decide to go down the external GPU path.

It will be Nvidia GPU, not the crappy AMD that PS4 and Xbox use. In 2 years time GTX 1080 will be cheap and outdated, but used as a GPU for console it will be faster than even the Xbox One X.

If the connection on the switch itself can be used for high-speed transfer. The devil is in the details. Do you have any breakdown of the pins on the switch, or are you guessing?

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NaviAndMii

Like I say, I'm no expert - it just seems as though the Switch was designed with 'future-proofing' in mind...even if its just to give themselves options down the line. The memory card slot, for example, is capable of handling yet-to-be-released 2TB cards...I just can't imagine why they'd have put these high-speed connections (and ample space) in the back of the dock unless they were at least giving themselves the option of being able to utilise them down the line, somehow? Why else would they be there? ..they're hardly conveniently placed for anything other than a potential plug-in to the back of the Dock itself?

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electrolite77

@NaviAndMii

It may we be that they can do it but, yeah, what @NEStalgia said (I almost understood it 😉 ).

Personally I'd have thought it more likely there will be a new iteration of the Switch itself using a more powerful Tegra in two or three years. Maybe the X2 will be a lot cheaper. A more powerful, but completely scaleable SOC for the main system. Existing docks still work as they currently do, as do all the existing games.

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Farmboy74

While I understand the idea the of a dock expansion pack for the dock, I just cannot see it happening and like what others have said it would fracture the Switch user base. I have also got used to playing all my current games in docked or handheld mode depending the mood I'm in and whether the TV is being used or not. If a game requires the extra horse power of a dock expansion, that means I'm now tied to the dock for that particular game and unable to play in handheld mode I suspect.
I think we will eventually see a hardware revision but personally I believe that will be a Switch 2 or Pro, whatever they want to call it running the latest Nvidia Tegra chip.

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Ralizah

I do think we will get PSTV-esque home console model without the tablet, but it would still play all the same games as the original hybrid model.

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SKTTR

On the back of the box and the eShop page of every game it's clear to see for the consumer which setups can be used (and with how many players). Every game should aim to have all 3 methods, but ports of touchscreen-based games like Voez and Severed cannot be replicated with other controls without losing essential parts of the core gameplay, so it's fine for those games to still be played on the touchscreen only.

You see, out of 100 games, 2 are touchscreen-only games. That's only 2%.
There will be more coming that are touchscreen-only, hopefully continuing to be only games where it makes logical sense and not because of developer laziness.

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MFD

@SKTTR It is the idea of a precedent being set. Yes, it may only be these 2 games, and if that stays the same, or just more of that, then I've said nothing, but what if Game Freak does it handheld only? What then?

Edit: Think with me for a sec, what if Game Freak, for example, limits trading to handheld only? Or some other integral feature, because they feel that Pokemon is a handheld game first and foremost? (having been on handhelds exclusively with it's main-line franchises)

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chvage

Fe (from EA originals) just announced at gamescom for the Switch

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NaviAndMii

@electrolite77 Yeah, that'd make sense ..maybe they just put those ports (and left a little space) in the back of the Switch Dock to give themselves the option down the line? (I'm talking at least a couple of years from now, if not more) ..it could be that they do choose to go down the 'Switch 2' route instead - but at least they appear to have built the console in such a way so as that they have a couple of different options to choose from

I totally respect peoples' conflicting opinions on the subject, either way - it's certainly been a healthy and thought-provoking discussion!

Personally, I think the idea of an 'Expansion Pak'-type-thing could be quite attractive down the line (when the Switch has well and truly established itself, that is) - and, with a bit of careful planning and consideration, Nintendo could make it work without risking the Switch's identity - but, based on those holding the opposite view, it'd certainly be a tricky balancing act (and probably not one that'll come any time soon I imagine - if at all!)

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NaviAndMii wrote:

@gildahl Nintendo already has history of doing exactly that though...

The N64 had an Expansion Pak - which was (from memory) required to play the likes of Perfect Dark, Donkey Kong 64, Majora's Mask, Conker's Bad Fur Day etc - it just helped the N64 keep up with the times a bit...

...similarly, there are certain 'New 3DS-only' games that won't run on the older 3DS hardware - which, if anything, is more extreme, as there is no possible way to run those games on the older 3DS (no Expansion Pak) - thus forcing people to buy a whole new unit just to play those games.

An Expansion Pak is a healthy proposition, I think - and certainly more consumer friendly (price wise) than forcing people to buy a whole new 'Switch 2' console in a couple of years because the original Switch is lagging behind the competition...

Yes, I understand that. Actually, several consoles have done these sorts of things. Near the end of its life the Atari 2600 had the Supercharger, the Genesis/Mega Drive had the 32X, etc. And maybe when Switch is getting long-in-the-tooth it might do well to get a final boost from a life-extender like this for a small set of going-away titles--but I don't think it's healthy to a console's ecosystem to introduce something like this early in its career as it risks confusion in the market. It's much more a business thing than a tech thing.

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Spoony_Tech

http://www.nintendo-insider.com/fe-explores-a-dark-nordic-for...

This looks cool and EA has now announced 2 games.

@chvage Didn't see your comment.

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If I was only ever able to have Monster Hunter and EO games in the future, I would be a happy man.

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Therad

UmniKnight wrote:

@SKTTR It is the idea of a precedent being set. Yes, it may only be these 2 games, and if that stays the same, or just more of that, then I've said nothing, but what if Game Freak does it handheld only? What then?

Edit: Think with me for a sec, what if Game Freak, for example, limits trading to handheld only? Or some other integral feature, because they feel that Pokemon is a handheld game first and foremost? (having been on handhelds exclusively with it's main-line franchises)

Then they would probably sell less games if people would care that much about trading. I don't see a good business case to limit a game artificially to handheld. Everything except the touchscreen works in TV mode.

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MFD

@Therad Agreed, but I remember reading somewhere that Game Freak was really attached to the idea of people going out and about to trade, hence why.

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