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Nincompoop

@Zyrac "That you can bring anywhere" is the secondary purpose, it's first purpose is to be a home console.

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Grumblevolcano

@Nincompoop It was only spun that way so 3DS sales wouldn't suffer, that way if the Switch flopped then at least Nintendo could backtrack and just make a HDS.

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Zyrac

@Nincompoop The whole design is built around the portability aspect. That's no secondary purpose. Whether it should in fact be called a home console at all is debatable. Either way, having docked-only games would be seen by the average consumer as going back on what the hype was built around.

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MFD

@Zyrac But then we can start arguing about false advertisement again, since it's marketed as a home-console, and you're basically saying it was sold around handheld hype. That would imply that home-console is mislabelled.

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Therad

NaviAndMii wrote:

I dunno, maybe I'm reading too much in to it....I just look in the back of my Switch Dock - and see a USB 3.0, an ultra-modern HDMI port & all that empty space - and it all screams 'Expansion Pak' future-proofing to me! ..and I, for one, would certainly be on board!

It is a usb 2.0 according to official specs. I don't think that is good enough to drive an external GPU.

Zyrac wrote:

@Nincompoop "That you can bring anywhere" is the key point, and it's what the marketing emphasises. Diluting that with docked-only games would have consequences, I reckon.

Exactly.

If they would make an add-on, the switch would suddenly become a $400-500 ps4 clone. Not ps4 pro mind you, just PS4.

It isn't really like PS4/Pro and 3ds/new 3ds. Those are supersets, none of them change the original function. It is more like 3ds/2ds, but more invasive.

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gildahl

UmniKnight wrote:

@gildahl Ahhh in that regard. True, but at the same time there's a PS4, PS4 Slim and PS4 Pro, yet they can all play the same games, some just with better settings. I guess Nintendo could do that, instead of dock only, though I don't think that's what a majority of Nintendo gamers will really care about. I'm diverting the point though, but yes, it would somewhat split the base, but arguably, Voez and Severed-like games do that already.

When I say "splitting the base", I'm referring strictly to the creation of a separate line of games that requires purchase of an enhanced console to play those games at all. While Nintendo could do this, it is a risk that hasn't traditionally worked out so well for consoles in the past as it tends to create some rather vocal user alienation (What! you're making me buy this $150 device to play all the new AAA games for this system??). Much safer from a business perspective is to offer something that allows gamers to play all of their games with better settings. The neat thing here is that Nintendo could possibly do this with just an enhanced dock rather than forcing one to buy a whole new console as XBox & PS4 are doing. BTW, I don't consider Voez as splitting the user base at all as one does not need to upgrade their system to play it. It does, IMO, "dilute the experience" a bit by not offering a docked mode, but that's more the lack of a feature (akin to not supporting the Pro Controller in Snipperclips), which is more of an "oh, well" thing rather than a "what?!" thing.

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MFD

@Zyrac It's great that people ate it up, but as I've said before, I've paid a handsome sum to get a home-console that will succeed where the Wii-U failed, but as per your words, I've bought the future of what the 3DS is to become. So where is the Wii-U's successor then? And why does Nintendo have 2 handhelds on the market?

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electrolite77

@Ralizah

I agree. I've got a PS4 Pro and it's a really nice upgrade but at £450 for the XB1X they've put it at a level where, if I was going to spend the money, I'd just flog my XB1S and PS4 Pro and spend the £800 on a PC.

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NaviAndMii

Plus, it doesn't say anything about being able to play 'Everything, Anywhere, Anytime, with Anyone' - I know I'm being pedantic there, but I could still play 'anywhere, anytime' - just not certain games...

...and Nintendo can control that central hybrid concept by ensuring that all of their first-party games can play in all modes - also, when they licence their IP to a third-party (ie. Mario+Rabbids w/ Ubisoft) they could insist on it being a hybrid game - but, if Ubi want to bring their latest Assassin's Creed game over for instance, they could have more free reign...the incentive for Ubi to aim for AC to be a 'fully-hybrid' game is that they could reach the widest possible audience - but, if they simply can't, the 'Expansion Pak' would ensure that they're not put off altogether as they can still bring it to the Switch, just in 'docked only', 'Expansion Pak required' form...

...as I say, I don't think it'd dilute the message or detract from the core concept - so long as Nintendo themselves always make their first-party content 'fully hybrid', the core games will be hybrid - anything else would just be options - expanding the flexibility and versatility of this already ultra-flexible/versatile piece of hardware!

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@Nincompoop

It will replace both 3DS and Wii U. It's a home Console and a handheld. I expect 3DS will get another year or so of remakes and translations before quietly being phased out.

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@NaviAndMii

People more technical than me would know better but I'm pretty certain there's a problem with the connections that rules out either an expansion pack or a dock with extra processing in. Not sure the USB ports are quick enough.

Shame, as I originally thought the dock would add a bit of extra oomph to the system.

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Nincompoop

@Therad It's more likely that Nintendo will sell a New dock with GPU built into it if they really decide to go down the external GPU path.

It will be Nvidia GPU, not the crappy AMD that PS4 and Xbox use. In 2 years time GTX 1080 will be cheap and outdated, but used as a GPU for console it will be faster than even the Xbox One X.

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NaviAndMii

@electrolite77 Me either, I must confess! I watched a video stating that the internal USB port is 3.0 (cutting edge) and the HDMI port is capable of carrying 4K - and the amount of empty space in the back of the dock leaves ample room for a pretty heft GPU expansion...I'll try and see if I can find that video a little later (got to go out now) - but I'm just going by what that guy said - I have no idea if he was right or wrong to jump to those conclusions...so I have no idea if I'm just getting carried away with 'false hype' or not!

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Ralizah

@NaviAndMii Releasing games that can only be played on the dock would fracture the user base and defeat the point of the console, which is being able to play your games anywhere. It would also encourage devs to not optimize games to run on the tablet. What you're proposing would just turn the Switch into another stationary gaming platform.

Nintendo is really emphasizing the versatility of the Switch, thankfully, so it's hard to imagine them opting for something like this.

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Zyrac

@UmniKnight I do think that regardless of debate over where the console/handheld line is, the Switch is more of a successor to the Wii U than the 3DS. After all, the 3DS does a bunch of things that the Switch doesn't. That along with its popularity is why the 3DS is still around. No need to drop it when it's still making money.

I can understand if you'd rather they'd gone in a different direction. But the Switch is working out so far and many people think it's the best move Nintendo could have made. Personally, given that they weren't at all focused on power anyway, I don't see much of a problem. But I guess you just can't please everyone.

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LeRaposa

I've seen people discussing the possibility of an external GPU. Really? Do you people have any idea how much that costs? External GPU's range from a couple hundred dollars to over $1000. That is not in any way a realistic idea.

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