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memoryman3

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There's tons of Wi-Fi standards these days, and 5GHz Wi-Fi offers a huge improvement over the 2.4GHz standard in terms of speed and interference. Do you expect the NX will use this? Or will they pull a 3DS on us and opt for slower G Wi-Fi?

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WebHead

i hope 5 ghz but i suspect itll be the same chip in the wii u.

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memoryman3

@WebHead That would suck. I had to switch to wired immediately after Mario Kart 8 had problem with communication errors. Might even deter me from the console completely.

By the way, the Wii U had a 5GHz chip used exclusively for Gamepad streaming, so Nintendo is well aware of how good the tech is.

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Samurai_Goroh

They will go for the cheaper option. Wi-Fi is not something people would take much notice, the Wi-Fi used on the Wii U is good enough for most people.

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I expect it to actually work with my router in wireless connection mode.

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SLIGEACH_EIRE

Ya, that I think that is something that isn't talked about enough. The wi-fi on Wii U is absolutely awful. I've had so many problems with it over the years, even to this day. I'm using a wired connection and I still have issues. They've got to make some improvements.

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skywake

1997: 802.11 standardised
PS2: No WiFi
1999: 802.11 a & b standardised
GBA: No WiFi (it had a largely unsupported proprietary P2P wireless adaptor)
GC: No WiFi
XB: No WiFi
2003: 802.11g standardised
DS: 802.11 (they didn't expect you to have WiFi so they sold PC dongles)
PSP: 802.11b
360: 802.11a/b/g (optional at launch. WiFi was still a bit of a novelty)
Wii: 802.11b/g
PS3: 802.11b/g
2009: 802.11n standardised
3DS: 802.11b/g
Vita: 802.11b/g/n
Wii U: 802.11a/b/g/n (dual-band n, 5Ghz band used for Gamepad)
PS4: 802.11b/g/n
XBOne: 802.11b/g/n
2013: 802.11ac standardised
NX: ????

I expect 2.4Ghz n at a minimum. It would be hard for them not to do that at this point. Though given that it's 2017 rather than 2012? I think dual-band n is very probable and ac wouldn't be out of the question. Despite the posts in this thread Nintendo haven't been miles behind in terms of WiFi, not at launch anyways. People just like to blame devices for their crappy setups rather than looking at their crappy setups.

edit: Thinking about this a bit more, here's what sort of WiFi you get for phones/tablets in particular price ranges. At one particular retailer at least. Note that this isn't the cost of those WiFi specs, they could put ac in fairly low end devices if they want. The newest Chromecast uses ac. This is just a reflection of what is expected at particular price points. I expect the NX to be sitting at very close to $300AU:

<$300AU
802.11b/g/n (no dual band but everything is n)

$300-550AU
802.11a/b/g/n (most are dual-band n, very few are 2.4Ghz only. No ac)

>$550AU
802.11a/b/g/n/ac (near universal support for ac)

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memoryman3

@Samurai_Goroh Bad Wi-Fi is VERY noticeable to the consumer. Especially in apartments where the 2.4GHz band is used. It's plagued by interference.

The Wii U already supports 5GHz, so I expect the same for the NX, and this time there's no streaming tech to block it.

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Samurai_Goroh

If the NX is the hybrid the EG rumours claim, it will have streaming, at least whilst on TV mode. The game will need to be streamed from the handheld to the docking station.
I am sorry if you had a bad experience on Wii U Wi-fi, mine is that it works fine for my network. And when things work for most people, they tend to not think too much about it.

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skywake

Samurai_Goroh wrote:

If the NX is the hybrid the EG rumours claim, it will have streaming, at least whilst on TV mode. The game will need to be streamed from the handheld to the docking station.

The Eurogamer rumour never mentioned streaming, it mentioned a dock. Which frankly would make a hell of a lot more sense. It's one thing to do what the Wii U is doing and stream a compressed 480p image to a small screen over a wireless link. That is easy to get away with. It's entirely another to try and push a 1080p image to a 50"+ TV.....

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to a 50"+ TV.....

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Samurai_Goroh

@skywake If that is the case, then I hope NX is not an hybrid after all. Without wireless streaming, you would have to play on a different controller at home from the handheld. That is not what I had in mind.

Dettachable controllers, Handheld, Pro Controller? Too many redundancies... Not liking the sound of it, now.

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skywake

Samurai_Goroh wrote:

@skywake If that is the case, then I hope NX is not an hybrid after all. Without wireless streaming, you would have to play on a different controller at home from the handheld. That is not what I had in mind.

Dettachable controllers, Handheld, Pro Controller? Too many redundancies... Not liking the sound of it, now.

And I for one am glad that you're not in charge of product development at Nintendo

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Therad

skywake wrote:

Samurai_Goroh wrote:

@skywake If that is the case, then I hope NX is not an hybrid after all. Without wireless streaming, you would have to play on a different controller at home from the handheld. That is not what I had in mind.

Dettachable controllers, Handheld, Pro Controller? Too many redundancies... Not liking the sound of it, now.

And I for one am glad that you're not in charge of product development at Nintendo

But he is right to be concerned. If the rumours about the detachable controls behave like wiimotes, we might get a fractured user base, since that would be impossible to use on an handheld. If the games will only work in one or the other configuration, the whole point of "getting moar games" is moot.

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skywake

Therad wrote:

But he is right to be concerned. If the rumours about the detachable controls behave like wiimotes, we might get a fractured user base, since that would be impossible to use on an handheld. If the games will only work in one or the other configuration, the whole point of "getting moar games" is moot.

I think you're jumping a few steps forward though. I was talking about the idea that it would behave as some sort of literal reverse GamePad. That's the thing I was criticising here. I was only talking about how the video signal should move from the unit to the TV. Saying a hardwired dock is better does not mean that the controls must be different.

Anyways, if you do want to know the picture I have in my head is of a Pro Controller. There may be BC with WiiMotes, there may be something new. Why not? It's all Bluetooth. But in the box I'm running under the assumption that the "dock" controller is identical to the default controls on the unit itself.

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Therad

skywake wrote:

Therad wrote:

But he is right to be concerned. If the rumours about the detachable controls behave like wiimotes, we might get a fractured user base, since that would be impossible to use on an handheld. If the games will only work in one or the other configuration, the whole point of "getting moar games" is moot.

I think you're jumping a few steps forward though. I was talking about the idea that it would behave as some sort of literal reverse GamePad. That's the thing I was criticising here. I was only talking about how the video signal should move from the unit to the TV. Saying a hardwired dock is better does not mean that the controls must be different.

Anyways, if you do want to know the picture I have in my head is of a Pro Controller. There may be BC with WiiMotes, there may be something new. Why not? It's all Bluetooth. But in the box I'm running under the assumption that the "dock" controller is identical to the default controls on the unit itself.

We will see. I am not worried, either it is something I want or something my kids want or neither. If it is neither, there is no shortage of things t spend money on.

Therad

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My Wii U's been working fine aside from Pikachu's horrible connection and Japanese Splatoon players. I think the issue with @memoryman3 may be faulty wi-fi chips or the internet connection itself.

Keep in mind that different connections may work with systems and some may not. And never, NEVER get a Belkin router. They are terrible with systems.

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SuperPaperLuigi

We'll if they really did take that patent out for cumulative modular systems and if they're moving towards modular system configurations (to leverage batch processing etc.) than the faster the wi-fi the better I guess...

...I mean I'm guessing there's a point at which the benefits of synergy via wi-fi justify the shifting of costs off of processing hardware and on to wi-fi hardware (I don't know where that point might fall, or actually whether it exists at all (I'm not that knowledgeable on the subject) but...you know, just saying.)

...although I wouldn't be holding out for an open-world F-Zero anytime soon. :0/

Maybe they should just produce units with copper patterns on the cases that act as contacts for when they're stacked one on top of the other, although they might not be able to foolproof something like that...so...

...I guess they'd need some kind of housing unit like a miniature server cabinet....I guess they'd need some kind of housing unit like a miniature server cabinet, for (potentially) cartridge-based system hardwares to be slipped in and out of.

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