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Topic: What controller do you want to see bundled with NX?

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iKhan

Operative wrote:

dumedum wrote:

Operative wrote:

Well yeah, but I'm pretty sure the vast majority agree they're superior. There's going to be complaining about every control option ever.

Not really. I've seen lots of people saying they prefer traditional controls for the Pikmin games as well. People who oppose them oppose them. I think they're completely stupid, but they do. They even say RE4 was better without, and that is the best use of pointer controls ever.

Yes. and I say the vast majority see pointer controls as an improvement. That's pretty much my point.

When someone tries to argue that the right stick is better than motion controls for those sort of games, it just tells me that they have clearly become completely complacent with the current controller.

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rallydefault

dumedum wrote:

Operative wrote:

Well yeah, but I'm pretty sure the vast majority agree they're superior. There's going to be complaining about every control option ever.

Not really. I've seen lots of people saying they prefer traditional controls for the Pikmin games as well. People who oppose them oppose them. I think they're completely stupid, but they do. They even say RE4 was better without, and that is the best use of pointer controls ever.

And all of those statements are purely you opinions, as you rightfully acknowledged. Good job.

Whereas this guy, @iKhan, continues to pass his opinions off as facts. Bleh.

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Thatguywhoeats

An upgraded Pro controller with motion control built in along with a GameCube styled version. And an upgraded Wii mote (also an adapter for older Wiimotes).

Also game pad compatibility.

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skywake

@rallydefault: I'd argue that the increased accuracy of motion controls over the analogue stick is a fact. Indisputable fact. It just is. In the same way that a mouse is also more accurate. In the same way that an analogue stick is more accurate for 3D character movement and the D-Pad is king for 2D character movement and a keyboard is dead last with both. What people's personal preferences are is a matter of opinion for sure but there's no disputing which one is actually better. Some control schemes are empirically better.

Like the motion controls in Splatoon. You don't like them because you couldn't get a hold of them and that's fine, but they are better. But the "motion controls" literally give you the option to use either, so it can't possibly be worse. I was playing a bit of Splatoon last night with this conversation in mind just to see how often I actually used the stick. I found that if I needed to turn quickly I tapped the stick like I would in Smash Bros. The rest of the time I was using motion controls. If the motion controls were actually bad then I would have subconsiously used them far less than that. 90%+ of the time my thumb wasn't even on the stick.

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iKhan

rallydefault wrote:

dumedum wrote:

Operative wrote:

Well yeah, but I'm pretty sure the vast majority agree they're superior. There's going to be complaining about every control option ever.

Not really. I've seen lots of people saying they prefer traditional controls for the Pikmin games as well. People who oppose them oppose them. I think they're completely stupid, but they do. They even say RE4 was better without, and that is the best use of pointer controls ever.

And all of those statements are purely you opinions, as you rightfully acknowledged. Good job.

Whereas this guy, @iKhan, continues to pass his opinions off as facts. Bleh.

No. When I mean to state an opinion, I say that. But in this case I'm stating a fact. Motion controls are objectively better for aiming a cursor. It's a matter of how the control scheme works. Motion controls, just like a trackpad or a mouse, are a one-to-one mapping of location from one space to a screen. This is objectively a better method for control.

Controlling a cursor with the right stick is like controlling a laptop cursor with the rubber keyboard nub they used to put into laptops. It's a resistive interface. Every time you push a little bit, you drag the cursor a little bit and hope it lands in the right spot. It lacks the direct mapping of locations that the other control schemes have.

On the other hand, Analog control IS better for moving a character on screen, because in that case, what matters is not the final location of the character, but the speed and direction, which ARE directly mapped to the right stick.

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rallydefault

@iKhan: "When someone tries to argue that the right stick is better than motion controls for those sort of games, it just tells me that they have clearly become completely complacent with the current controller."

Ah, I see. So judging what someone's (whom you've never met) mindstate is...that's a "fact," not an opinion...

Interesting. I learned a lot today. Thank you.

@skywake
Lol I'm beginning to think you are purposefully not actually responding to what I meant because you know I'm right. I wasn't talking about the motion control stuff in response to you. I was talking about the following statement you made: "Some dude started talking crap because I was using a controller. It was a racing mission, an analogue stick runs rings around wasd. I ended up doing pretty well (and then muted everyone). I reckon the people asking about how to turn of motion controls in Splatoon are the console gaming equivalent of that dude."

THAT'S what I was talking about with your tendency to judge and stereotype. You're passing judgment on a perceived group of people and stereotyping them. You don't know those people or how much of a shot they gave motion controls (or any type of controls) before making their decisions.

And that brings me to a bigger point. I've never said that motion controls AREN'T objectively better when it comes to pointer aiming, but I've continually held that control comes down to preference, and when it comes to motion, a lot of people are sick of it. Yea, I know I can do motion control on Splatoon, and it may be "objectively" better, but when I sit down to play a console game, more often than not, I'm sprawled on my sofa just trying to undwind. Adding motion to that experience is not my idea of fun, so I'll gladly take a hit to "BUT IT'S OBJECTIVELY BETTER" in order to increase my personal FUN in playing the game. Personal preference.

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erv

I just hope the fragmentation of controllers ends with NX. I hate the difference for games having either a pro, or a point, or a horizontal wiimote, or a nunchuck, or a classic, or a combination of only one...

I just want one controller. A nintendo one, which is always the best one.

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Luna_110

I'd love that the NX has a more classical controller, like the GC. That control was indestructible, I swear.

I have a chronic lack of time, for everything.

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iKhan

rallydefault wrote:

@iKhan: "When someone tries to argue that the right stick is better than motion controls for those sort of games, it just tells me that they have clearly become completely complacent with the current controller."

Ah, I see. So judging what someone's (whom you've never met) mindstate is...that's a "fact," not an opinion...

Interesting. I learned a lot today. Thank you.

No that was an opinionated statement. Like you said I'm judging someone's mindstate, so by definition I'm guessing, and therefore it's an opinion.

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skywake

rallydefault wrote:

@skywake
Lol I'm beginning to think you are purposefully not actually responding to what I meant because you know I'm right. I wasn't talking about the motion control stuff in response to you. I was talking about the following statement you made: "Some dude started talking crap because I was using a controller. It was a racing mission, an analogue stick runs rings around wasd. I ended up doing pretty well (and then muted everyone). I reckon the people asking about how to turn of motion controls in Splatoon are the console gaming equivalent of that dude."

THAT'S what I was talking about with your tendency to judge and stereotype. You're passing judgment on a perceived group of people and stereotyping them. You don't know those people or how much of a shot they gave motion controls (or any type of controls) before making their decisions.

Except that it's more than that. I've seen threads on PC gaming forums where people ask about using a controller in PC games. Some people immediately jump on it and act all superior. As if there is no possible scenario ever where a controller may be the better option. It's the same with motion controls. I've seen first impressions of games like Splatoon where the person has literally said that the first thing they did was turn off motion controls. There were quite a few people saying that on the Splatoon thread even after the first hour of the Global Test fire! Those people are clearly pre-judging the controls, no question about it.

It's not an isolated thing and it's not just this one dude or you. And it's ok for people to play the games however they want, I don't have an issue with it. Just like I don't have an issue when my Niece plays 2D platformers with an analogue stick. But people who do it that way likely haven't given the other control scheme the chance. They're also doing it wrong and it would be nice if devs stopped catering for them

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erv

@skywake: totally agreed. I want the developers to dictate the one way to best play the game. From that point on, everybody is equal in opportunity. No options, just the right way to do it.

I may be a minority with that point of view, I know.

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iKhan

@skywake

I'd actually argue that the merits of a d-pad or an analog stick can vary depending on the game and scenario. If a 2D platformer involves running, analog control reduces the number of necessary buttons you have to press, so it's easier that way (still less precise, but accessibility is important too). Motion control is both easier and more accurate than a controller for controlling a cursor.

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rallydefault

@skywake: Yea, but come on, man. Only a fraction of gamers actually actively visit/use internet forums (I'd say even less than 50%). You can't possibly take that kind of stuff as respresentative.

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fascinatura

A traditional controller with all the features of the gamepad. Speakers, microphone, accelerometer, gyroscope, camera... Third parties probably won't bother to use all these things, but we know that Nintendo will. That's good enough for me. And I think the motion controls in Splatoon are pretty great. They took some time to get use to, but now I just can't go back. My god the controls in that game are so..satisfying. Leaping in and out of squid form and turning intuitively thanks to the motion controls. It's great.

and a touch pad, about the same size as the touch pad on the PS4 controller. And a stylus for the touchpad, so you can still draw. There doesn't need to be a screen there to draw, see uDraw. Obviously the space is much smaller than on the uDraw--but hey, art academy and the pokemon art app are on the 3DS, which has a small screen.

Most importantly, I WANT IT TO BE RECHARGEABLE WITH A LONG BATTERY LIFE!!! My Wiimotes eat batteries like nobody's business and I practically keep my Gamepad plugged in because of the short battery life.

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