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Jeronan

Lethal wrote:

Jeronan wrote:

One. It would not have fitted in the Switch in current formfactor and thus not been able to be a portable Device, which was the main goal of the Switch.
If two X1's could have run in tandem in a portable Device, NVidia would have done so already themselves!
And, If Nintendo wanted to make yet another dedicated home console, they could have gone for plenty other available SoC's.

Two. The console would end up on a price point beyond even the PS4 Pro and that would have been corporate suicide. People are already complaining about the 300 dollar price tag lol.
( Just for Reference sake. The PS Vita console only + 32 GB Vita memory card was around 310-320 dollars at launch ).

You People should stop writing and think first for a change, before continuing with your rants.

All you are doing is assuming. You are acting like you know everything. Just look at your last sentence. You think you are better than everyone. You have no clue as to what Nintendo could do with the Switch. You really think that is the most powerful it can be?? Give me a break. Simply adding more RAM makes it more powerful. Get off your high horse and learn to discuss without trying to insult people.

I am just stating the facts! You are the one clearly not knowing what you are talking about! I actually in a matter of fact do. Sorry.

The Switch has 4 GB of RAM right now and 32 GB of onboard storage.

In comparison. The PSVita had only 512 MB RAM and ZERO onboard storage. You were forced to pay over 60 bucks on special Vita Cards to get 32 GB storage capacity. With the Switch you can use much cheaper Micro SD Cards to expand Storage even further.
The WiiU only had 2 GB of RAM.

It's all about price! Sure Nintendo would have been able to add another 4 GB of RAM to the console.
What you don't know is that that 4 extra GB of RAM requires space on the Circuit Board and also draws extra Power, reducing the battery life. 4 GB of RAM doesn't equal double performance. On the contrary, it only means more can be stored in RAM. I have currently 8 GB of RAM in my game PC and most (very demanding) games I play on my PC don't even use half of that today! The reason for this is simple. A lot of games still run in 32 bit and as such cannot address more than 3 GB of RAM.
So what is the point of having 8 GB of RAM in the Switch, while demanding games on my PC don't even make use of it? It would be a waste other than draining battery.

Same for having two X1 SoC chips. The Tegra X1 is an expensive SoC. You think way too lightly about this!
Where is Nintendo going to put it on the Circuit Board, including all the added tech needed to support dual socket SoC chips and at the same time keep the same formfactor of the Switch?
What about the all that extra power draw? Where is Nintendo going to fit a double capacity battery?
What about the hefty increase in costs? What about the formfactor? What about the hefty increase in weight?

People are already complaining about 300 dollars for a console. What you think when Nintendo does all you ask and is forced to ask 500 dollars? You willing to pay that? For an unwieldy and heavy handheld console with terrible battery life?

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Jeronan

Mainer82

rallydefault wrote:

@twindragon
You were right, man! And I was wrong.

Does your life have meaning now?

I kid, but not really.

People are so hung up on this stuff. I find it sad. Gaming is a hobby. A really, really cool hobby that I'm passionate about. If Nintendo ends up exiting this hobby, the entire thing will be worse off. PC will be the only place to run to for something different.

This micro-scrutiny of everything (power, sales numbers, games coming/not coming, etc.) needs to stop. It's what's contributed to this development of such a poisonous online culture that is so rabid against anything not powerful and/or slightly different (ala most of Nintendo's stuff). It's also contributed to this bro-gaming/edgelord crud that just makes my heart hurt. I liked this forum SO much in the past because there was very little of that here. And I gotta be honest, @twindragon, you created your account very recently and kinda brought some of that crud here, and it's not fun.

I agree with your statement. I play Nintendo because the games are generally pretty fun. I don't care about teraflops, etc.

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rallydefault

@Mainer82
Yea, I don't care about that stuff. I never did. I remember conversations with my friends when we were back in high school (that would be like PS1/N64 going into PS2 era) saying the exact same stuff. I just never really cared about that.

But we do need to be realistic and understand that power does matter to a certain extent. It's not just graphics, by a long shot. It's also AI and world building and stat tracking capabilities. Lots of programming stuff behind the scenes. But as long as the system has enough to handle that (and I think BotW shows that wonderfully), then I'm good.

I just hate the negativity in the online community as soon as something isn't "1080p/60fps or nothin, brah" - it's asinine.

rallydefault

Guovssohas

Oh. A handheld hybrid console is much weaker than a desktop console, i'm in shock, who would have known?..

Guovssohas

twindragon

Consumers need to at least know what they are buying otherwise nintendo could just release a portable n64, charge 300, and people would say as long as it has good games I will buy it. That's probably why RIM with the blackberry did so poorly they didn't evolve with the rest of the phones and people who liked blackberry said as long as it has blackberry messenger I will buy it.

Im ok with how powerful the switch is as long as other companies will develop games for it. There were tons of great games last gen the graphics are still great in my opinion. I want to see the X1 pushed to its limits

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KirbyTheVampire

twindragon wrote:

Consumers need to at least know what they are buying otherwise nintendo could just release a portable n64, charge 300, and people would say as long as it has good games I will buy it. That's probably why RIM with the blackberry did so poorly they didn't evolve with the rest of the phones and people who liked blackberry said as long as it has blackberry messenger I will buy it.

Im ok with how powerful the switch is as long as other companies will develop games for it. There were tons of great games last gen the graphics are still great in my opinion. I want to see the X1 pushed to its limits

If the average consumer sees a great library of games that they want to play, I don't think they're gonna care whether there's an X1 or an X2 chip, especially when the latter is only used in cars, lol.

Also, Nintendo would never release a portable N64. Their systems are usually not considered very powerful, but they're a lot more powerful than that.

I honestly think the power debate and the accusations that Nintendo should have made it more powerful need to stop. They couldn't have made it more powerful without significantly increasing the cost and lowering the battery life. Yeah, it won't have great AAA third party support, but Nintendo systems haven't been super amazing for third party games since the SNES. The Gamecube is probably the last Nintendo system that had pretty decent third party support, and even then it was less than the other systems had. Anyone expecting heavy AAA third party presence on a Nintendo system, especially one that's a handheld like the Switch, is deluding themselves. Besides, it's still the most powerful handheld ever, and is a serviceable console for TV play, and it will have all the new Nintendo games on it, as well as a lot of small/medium sized third party games with some big ones sprinkled in. What more do you people want?

KirbyTheVampire

twindragon

@KirbyTheVampire Lets hope it does have great third party support eventually. I am not giving up yet.

twindragon

rallydefault

@KirbyTheVampire
Agreed - if they wanted to make the Switch markedly more powerful, it would have had to:

A. Not be feasibly portable either in terms of size or battery life, which would have gone against their vision for the machine
B. Be delayed a significant amount of time for an "X2" chip to be included, which would have hurt them pretty badly in dragging along a dead Wii U console for another 6 months

It's as simple as that.

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twindragon

@BiasedSonyFan well if you look at the original xbox it didn't sell very well either. The only reason the ps2 sold so well was because it had a dvd player. I think some people used it primarily for that reason. It was the cheapest dvd player on the market and it played video games.

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kkslider5552000

kkslider5552000 wrote:

wow a debate on a Nintendo consoles' power and its relation to 3rd party support, I've never seen that one before

I'm sorry, I was being sarcastic. I apologize if I tricked any of you into thinking you were saying anything interesting by continuing this.

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twindragon

Yea but the n64 didn't sell that well either. PlayStation was selling like crazy so it continued into the ps2 @BiasedSonyFan not going with cd crippled the n64 and then using their own proprietary discs hurt them with the GameCube. I like that Nintendo is different, you get a lot of innovation but skipping on the cds and storage was one of those things that would have skyrocketed their sales.

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IvanTheMonkey

kkslider5552000 wrote:

kkslider5552000 wrote:

wow a debate on a Nintendo consoles' power and its relation to 3rd party support, I've never seen that one before

I'm sorry, I was being sarcastic. I apologize if I tricked any of you into thinking you were saying anything interesting by continuing this.

This x100000

IvanTheMonkey

Andrzej777

Funny discussion!

Besides the pricing the switch is amazing! I dont really care about its power as I am just into first party games and not some assassins of duty stuff. So really I couldnt care less. However I would like to see the switch alive and supported in a couple of years - will that happen?
The only thing that could really make a difference is that all follow up nintendo consoles would be backwards compatible.
That could really make for a huge install base in a couple of years

Andrzej777

Luna_110

@Andrzej777
Yeah, because people are so hung up on backwards compatibility- except they aren't as the PS4 so kindly proved for us.

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Andrzej777

@Luna_110
Hmm...
Yeah right...
So its better to no longer to play the old games.
Ps4 gamers are just about graphics and blowing things up. They dont care about playing the old uncharted games and I wouldny either...
How come vc games are so popular?

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Andrzej777

Luna_110

@Andrzej777
That's the thing - are they truly so popular among gamers or its a vocal minority on internet that bemoans for them? Most people want new games, not ports - which is one of the main critics aimed at the Switch. So, what does the majority prefer - old games or new stuff?
I'll be for the new stuff.

I have a chronic lack of time, for everything.

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Andrzej777

@Luna_110
Of course everyone wants new stuff but everyone likes the ability to move their software library to the next generation.

Andrzej777

Lethal

Andrzej777 wrote:

@Luna_110
Ps4 gamers are just about graphics and blowing things up. They dont care about playing the old uncharted games and I wouldny either...

I am a PS4 gamer and I bought and played all 3 Uncharted games again in the Uncharted Collection. Same thing goes for the Bioshock Collection, Heavy Rain, Beyond Two Souls, God of War 3, and others.

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twindragon

@Lethal not sure why everyone has this bias against ps4 games or games you can blow stuff up. It's not like Nintendo games change their style of gameplay. Mario has been mario for 30 years. He jumps on enemies heads, collects coins grows big from mushrooms etc. Mario kart has basically been the same since the first Mario kart but gets better with more tracks more characters and better graphics. To say all of the games on PlayStation is cookie cutter is a bit hypocritical. zelda borrows a ton from other games too. The open world aesthetic has been around for a while.

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