Guys, it's a handheld. Why are you keep comparing it to desktop consoles? I just don't get it. How on earth a handheld running on battery with this footprint would ever compete with desktop consoles? What is the point of this discussion? Compare the Switch with other handhelds!
Problem is nintendo will always be behind its competition - you nailed it with the scorpio comparison.
It's not only that. Both Sony and Microsoft (especially Microsoft) have the capitcal means to sell their consoles at a loss and do and get their ROI through other means.
Nintendo has never done this and never will. They will never sell a product at a loss. They have always clearly stated that time and again as a bad and unreliable bussiness practice. It goes against their philosophy to sell a product at a loss.
If they do a price cut at a later time in a device's life, it's because it has become more efficient and cheaper to produce, giving them the ability to do it.
It's also why they never competed with Microsoft and Sony and never will. It's pointless and they will have to throw Money out of the window.
For Nintendo, bringing out a console with same Power as Playstation and XBOX doesn't give them any guarantee they will sell more consoles, since People buy a Playstation or XBOX for those console's exclusives, just like People buy Nintendo conoles for their exclusives.
Nintendo has one of the most strong first party game franchises in history and that is their strength.
Power in a console means nothing! The Nintendo 3DS has a fraction of the Power of the PSVita and yet it has blown the PSVita out of the water in sales. Hell, it has even outsold the PS4 and XBOXOne combined.
It's game Library is impressive and dwarfs any other console on the market.
Now, the Nintendo Switch is a handheld console at it's core. A console that can be docked and play via TV.
If you look at it from that perspective, it is now the most powerful handheld console on the market!
The PSVita and 3DS don't even come anywhere close.
In handheld mode, it's as poweful as the XBOX360/PS3 and while docked it lies somewhere in between the WiiU and XBOne.
It is a really impressive engineering feat!
You have to start seeing it from that perspective! The PS4, for example, draws more than 137 watts of Power. That is impossible to generate in a handheld console. Only top of the line gaming Laptops are capable of that and those are 5-7 kg Heavy beasts that barely hold a battery for 30 minutes at most (and then they have to downthrottle a lot).
@Jeronan
I think nintendo does have the means to sell a console at a loss. Bad business practice? Well, sometimes you have to make a loss first in order to make a profit.
To be fair, I am just in it for the first party game and maybe some third party games if they are good.
However, nintendo will abandon their own console and not produce too many games if the console doesnt sell. Prime example is the wii u imo. So there is a co-relation between those things.
Nintendos management doesnt really know how to make business and its their fans who are let down most.
@Jeronan
I think nintendo does have the means to sell a console at a loss. Bad business practice? Well, sometimes you have to make a loss first in order to make a profit.
To be fair, I am just in it for the first party game and maybe some third party games if they are good.
However, nintendo will abandon their own console and not produce too many games if the console doesnt sell. Prime example is the wii u imo. So there is a co-relation between those things.
Nintendos management doesnt really know how to make business and its their fans who are let down most.
What do you mean Nintendo didn't produce to many games for the WiiU? lol.
It was actually Nintendo's own first party releases that kept the console alive as long as it is and why I bought it in the first place. I have a PS4 next to it for it's exclusives.
The WiiU actually got a lot of really good games during it's lifespan. It was just a shame that some of these games didn't come earlier to the console to reduce the draught in the first two years.
But in the end, it was Nintendo's bad (lack of) marketing that ruined the WiiU, not the amount of games that were released on it. As there were plenty in the end.
The XBOX360 and PS3 had a horrible draught in the beginning, but incredible marketing pushed the consoles through it.
That is the actual problem with Nintendo, they need to do better at Marketing, though the Switch marketing is a hell lot better already than the WiiU.
@Jeronan
Right its a portable but it could have been better easily. Nintendo could the tegra x2 chip. That would have made some impression.
How much are you willing to spend on a Switch though? Bet that could easily double or triple the cost of what the Switch is now, that would be far too pricey. Maybe a successor to the Switch could use the X2 if nvidia wanted to focus on anything other than self driving cars and the costs went down by then.
I still think we haven't seen what the Switch is capable of yet.
@Andrzej777 "However, nintendo will abandon their own console and not produce too many games if the console doesnt sell. Prime example is the wii u imo."
Sony will do the same thing - just look at the PS Vita. Within a year they had essentially abandoned it from a first party game point of view with the odd exception here and there for a year after. And they then almost never spoke about it during conferences.
At least Nintendo continued to support the Wii U with games and some kind of marketing.
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@Jeronan
However, nintendo will abandon their own console and not produce too many games if the console doesnt sell. Prime example is the wii u imo.
Didn't Nintendo release about 15 of their games for the Wii U? That's...Quite...Alot. For an under performing console. Just shows you how commited Nintendo are to their products, even if it doesn't make them their intended fortune.
@Andrzej777
The thing is, Sony and Microsoft can sell at a loss because their other branches bring in revenues, while Nintendo only produces and sells videogame hardware and software.
Selling at a loss is a terrible business practice, both because it is suicidal and because it's against fair competition.
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@Jeronan To be fair, the PS4 probably got more exclusive games this year already than the last two years of Wii U. Microsoft.. that's another story, but technically none of their games are exclusives, since you can play them on your PC as well.
@Jeronan To be fair, the PS4 probably got more exclusive games this year already than the last two years of Wii U. Microsoft.. that's another story, but technically none of their games are exclusives, since you can play them on your PC as well.
Exclusives is NOT first party titles! That is just Microsoft and Sony throwing a ton of Money at a game studio to make them release their New game on XBOX or PS first to have it exclusive for some months or longer.
That is very bad practice and no good for us gamers!
Like I had to wait almost 4 months extra to get the DLC I paid for (season pass) for The Division on PS4, due to timed exclusive deal with XBOXOne.
@Jeronan You mean the same Nintendo did with Bayonetta 2?
Exactly and Nintendo got a storm of critique over them for that one. But that is just one game and one exception.
Sony and Microsoft operate almost solely now on securing exclusives as a main way to sell their consoles.
For us gamers, this is not good and severely limits the Choice of games we can play, unless you have plenty of cash and room in your house to buy both XBOX and PS4 consoles.
No it couldn't! There is no more powerful moible SoC on the market today than the X1.
There are ways to make it more powerful while using that chip. More and faster RAM would help. 2-X1 chips would have boosted the power. There are always ways to improve.
Exclusives is NOT first party titles! That is just Microsoft and Sony throwing a ton of Money at a game studio to make them release their New game on XBOX or PS first to have it exclusive for some months or longer.
Actually, most of Sony's exclusive are first party games. Sony owns Santa Monica Studios, Naughty Dog, Guerilla Games, Sucker Punch, Bend Studio, Polyphony Digital, San Diego Studios, Media Molecule, London Studios. Any games made by these developers are considered 1st party games.
No it couldn't! There is no more powerful moible SoC on the market today than the X1.
There are ways to make it more powerful while using that chip. More and faster RAM would help. 2-X1 chips would have boosted the power. There are always ways to improve.
One. It would not have fitted in the Switch in current formfactor and thus not been able to be a portable Device, which was the main goal of the Switch.
If two X1's could have run in tandem in a portable Device, NVidia would have done so already themselves!
And, If Nintendo wanted to make yet another dedicated home console, they could have gone for plenty other available SoC's.
Two. The console would end up on a price point beyond even the PS4 Pro and that would have been corporate suicide. People are already complaining about the 300 dollar price tag lol.
( Just for Reference sake. The PS Vita console only + 32 GB Vita memory card was around 310-320 dollars at launch ).
You People should stop writing and think first for a change, before continuing with your rants.
@Jeronan Yeah, but when was the last time they did that? Most of the exclusive games are either first party, or they're outsourced. The last one I can remember is Rise of the Tomb Raider, MS paid for exclusivity.
One. It would not have fitted in the Switch in current formfactor and thus not been able to be a portable Device, which was the main goal of the Switch.
If two X1's could have run in tandem in a portable Device, NVidia would have done so already themselves!
And, If Nintendo wanted to make yet another dedicated home console, they could have gone for plenty other available SoC's.
Two. The console would end up on a price point beyond even the PS4 Pro and that would have been corporate suicide. People are already complaining about the 300 dollar price tag lol.
( Just for Reference sake. The PS Vita console only + 32 GB Vita memory card was around 310-320 dollars at launch ).
You People should stop writing and think first for a change, before continuing with your rants.
All you are doing is assuming. You are acting like you know everything. Just look at your last sentence. You think you are better than everyone. You have no clue as to what Nintendo could do with the Switch. You really think that is the most powerful it can be?? Give me a break. Simply adding more RAM makes it more powerful. Get off your high horse and learn to discuss without trying to insult people.
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