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Honelith

But the thirdy party support is already incredibly strong this year.

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Captain_Toad

Post your tech findings on the Switch thread.

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KirbyTheVampire

Nintendoomed confirmed. R.I.P Nintendo. DOA.

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BigBabyPeach

I'm far from a tech expert, but I find it strange when people act as if they just put a regular Tegra X1 chip in there. Didn't Nvidia's CEO say that several hundred engineering years went into building the Switch? This should be a heavily modified second generation Maxwell GPU that's likely closer in power to the X2.

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BLP_Software

Things we dont know from an X-Ray.

Power draw of the SoC. What wattage for what level of output?

How it works with the system itself for real application performance. How close to the metal is it?

Instruction set.

How are games loaded? This one is important as other systems use mechanical moving parts to pull and send data, which can impact what/how much can be loaded at a time.

And cinally: reality check again folk. The X1 is a perfectly servicable, very capable, modern chip. Would you want something the power of a PS4 in something this small? It could happen, but Ill tell you right now, if it costs so much that 6 teraflops in a box is only feasible now for mass market (it wont be small in size either), I can tell you shrinking a PS4 down would be an insane feat of engineering with the cooling and space on a board needed, and also immensely expensive for consumers.

Think how much PS3 cost at a loss of around 400-500 dollars per unit. Think how much the PS4 costs. Then think about the cost of a laptop compared to its comparable desktop equivalent.

Then try and take a PS4 into the Switch.

Do it for less than 800-1000 dollars per unit and Im impressed.

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twindragon

People should listen to me when I tell them nintendo went with the X1. All of the leaks said X1 time and again. The only thing I don't understand is the one leak that said the cpu only had 4 cores and only 3 were available for games. Here there are 8 cores like the ones that have always been on the X1

Now lets just hope that the clock speeds are higher than the leaked clock speeds otherwise portable switch is only doing like 170 gflops and docked is 350 which makes no sense seeings the wii u is suppose to be 350 gflops

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ironside1911

This was already confirmed last year actually... here is a summary of it.

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/12/nintendo-switch-nvidia...

"These specs certainly won't challenge the pixel-pushing performance of an Xbox One or a PS4, and it raises yet more questions about how much third-party support will come to Switch."

Thats a sober technical review - its not close to the X2 else they would have just taken the X2. Nvidia is not doing charity and standing there sabotaging their own new X2 marketing by letting the old one be "close".

That one is also funny:

"When docked, the Switch's GPU runs at a 768MHz, already lower than the 1GHz of the Shield Android TV."

But yea, perhaps with the "customized" version they are back to the power of the Shield Android. Perhaps even 30% faster?

"It's not yet known whether the hardware in the Switch will be manufactured on the more power efficient 16nm process (as used by Pascal) or whether it will remain at 20nm."

Back then it was not known, now it is, and yes, you can guess the result.

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/56259/nintendo-switch-uses-20nm...

No wonder Sony and Microsoft have nothing but praise for it. Its "cute", like a nice KIA car with some extras next to a Lexus SUV

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Aozz101x

in the end of the day, it well probably still do better than the Wii U.
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twindragon

Unfortunately even if the switch is selling good right now it could all just be the nintendo fans that are buying it up. Right now its at 1.5 million consoles sold. There is still 11.5 million consoles to go to get to the same numbers as a wii u. Whereas I think the original wii sold 20 million in its first year. Time will tell.

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DanteSolablood

@twindragon To be fair leaks have been quite wrong in the past & it actually made sense for Nintendo to go with a newer chip for many common sense reasons... but my personal policy is to admit when I was wrong. I was wrong.

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Jeronan

twindragon wrote:

People should listen to me when I tell them nintendo went with the X1. All of the leaks said X1 time and again. The only thing I don't understand is the one leak that said the cpu only had 4 cores and only 3 were available for games. Here there are 8 cores like the ones that have always been on the X1

Now lets just hope that the clock speeds are higher than the leaked clock speeds otherwise portable switch is only doing like 170 gflops and docked is 350 which makes no sense seeings the wii u is suppose to be 350 gflops

The first gen X1 can push 1 Terraflops of Graphics performance!

The WiiU has a max of 400-500 GFLOPS. So the first gen Tegra X1 already pushes twice the performance of the WiiU!

Also the WiiU uses an old PowerPC based IBM chip based on old 45 nm and GPU on 40nm process.
The Tegra X1 is based on Maxwell 20nm process.

The WiiU has 2 GB of DDR3 RAM, while the Switch has 4 GB of DDR4 RAM.

So these are just some of the details and even if the Switch has the Tegra X1, it already blows the WiiU out of the water performance wise and that in a Device that can be used in handheld mode with same batterylife as the 3DS and PSVita.

Now, back to the OP. All we have is a vague X-ray that isn't confirming anything. We know it's based on the X1, since the X2 is targeted for the Automotive market and not the consumer market (otherwise NVidia would have showed it off in their New Shield TV's).
We also know the Switch has a customized version of the X1 (presumably second gen Tegra X1). So there can be a lot of refinements and improvements inside the SoC we don't know about. An unclear X-ray doesn't provide 100% proof. The only one that can give 100% proof is NVidia themselves.

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DanteSolablood

@Jeronan Thanks for that post, I think many people forget that the X1 on it's own was already multiple times more powerful than the Wii U... someone coined the term "mobile Wii U" out of ignorance following the reveal and people have stuck to this lazy insult.

The Wii U had many problems such as a locked clockspeed that caused bottlenecking during any physics intensive parts of a game (worse than PS3/360), old & difficult to use development tools, the fact it was a pain in the butt to code for generally. Even if the Switch had the same power... just moving to a more modern chip and dev tools it could produce more impressive games.

People seem to be comparing first gen Switch games to the best of the last gen Wii U games & saying there isn't too much difference... something many people said about the PS1/PS2. Hopefully that idiocy is over just as quickly.

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@twindragon
You were right, man! And I was wrong.

Does your life have meaning now?

I kid, but not really.

People are so hung up on this stuff. I find it sad. Gaming is a hobby. A really, really cool hobby that I'm passionate about. If Nintendo ends up exiting this hobby, the entire thing will be worse off. PC will be the only place to run to for something different.

This micro-scrutiny of everything (power, sales numbers, games coming/not coming, etc.) needs to stop. It's what's contributed to this development of such a poisonous online culture that is so rabid against anything not powerful and/or slightly different (ala most of Nintendo's stuff). It's also contributed to this bro-gaming/edgelord crud that just makes my heart hurt. I liked this forum SO much in the past because there was very little of that here. And I gotta be honest, @twindragon, you created your account very recently and kinda brought some of that crud here, and it's not fun.

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CrazedCavalier

...You know, so many people wanted the X2 when, uh, how should I put this? The X2 was meant for cars, not mobile devices.

@rallydefault Ignoring the fact the OP is the most negative person on the site?

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Aeleron0X

The thing is, the X1 is currently the most powerful mobile SoC that's on the market right now and I think Nintendo had no other choice since it was the only option for a mobile GPU that can do console graphics. The X2 and the Xavier aren't released yet and are currently made for cars and not gaming(hell, even the new Nvidia Shield TV still uses an X1)

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IvanTheMonkey

@rallydefault 100% agree. Finally a proper summary of what I think is the weirdest tech-fascism floating around. Nintendo makes consoles. You can be sure that the games coming out for the console will run on the console. That's the point of owning a console. Clock speeds and sales numbers won't change that. The Switch has a snappy and clean interface, runs the latest Zelda smoothly and works as a handheld and a full blown console. A bunch of 3rd party games are confirmed. It will do just fine.

Personally I think that the Switch is a product of the abysmal sales of the Wii U. You can be sure they did their homework this time around. And even if it doesn't sell as much as the Wii it won't change the fact that it's fun to play.

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BLP_Software

@BiasedSonyFan Let me correct that for you

@Yasume get a PS4 Pro. Or a Scorpio. Or if you really hate being underpowered have a PC. And if thats not enough get a supercomputer.

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