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Topic: Switch's lack of games at launch (and general weird launch) kinda feels intentional

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Bezbot

I think pretty much exactly what you said. Also I don't mind waiting a couple months for big games. It gives you time to focus on games like Zelda.

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Sisilly_G

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^EA have already said Fifa Switch is using a custom build, not a port, probably to include waggling in the controls.

They said it was "custom built for Nintendo Switch", which is just idle chatter/P.R. nonsense to say that it is a "port" without actually using the dreaded "p word". Nobody ever disparages a port by describing it as a "lazily custom built mess". By avoiding the word "port" they avoid the subconscious negative connotations that are occasionally associated with it, while "custom built", with emphasis on "built" suggests that hard work and care has been put into the project. "Custom built" also implies that certain features from the more feature-packed PS4/Bone versions will be excised, because hey, it's been "custom built" for the Switch hardware, and not "optimised", which is the choice of words that they would have used, if they were in fact committed to bringing the full current gen FIFA experience to a Nintendo console. Believe me, I would love for my cynicism to be proven wrong. I would LOVE it. I'll willingly eat EA's dust if they do, but I've been burned too many times by their shoddy business practices. I'll reiterate... EA's just pulling their usual B.S. P.R. spin on this. Standard operating procedure.

Every version of any multiplatform game is "custom built" for the platform that they are designed for. No third-party developer in their right mind is going to endure the added expense and trouble of designing a completely different game to the other versions from scratch in this day and age. Sure, that would have been standard practice 10-20 years ago, when handhelds were considerably less capable than home consoles (for example, a FIFA game on GBA/DS would have been designed/programmed independently of the console games as it would be virtually impossible to port a PS2 game to such limited hardware), but now that the lines have been blurred between home console and handheld, as handheld devices now are now so much more capable, FIFA Switch will most definitely be based on an existing build of the game, whether that be a current generation build or a last generation one.

There have been rumours that the Switch version will be a port of the PS3/360 games (likely based on a recycled FIFA 14 build with a roster update at this point), which isn't a lot to be excited about, as this is precisely the sort of imparity that jeopardised faith in third parties early in the lifespan of the Wii U. I'll still grab FIFA if it arrives, but I won't hold my breath for EA to treat the Switch version with the same care as the PS4/Bone/PC versions. I'm more susceptible to supporting a gypped port of FIFA this generation only because of the possibility and convenience of local multiplayer that can be enjoyed anywhere. Quite frankly, I doubt that the Switch version will have anything else going for it as EA are notorious for dealing the short straw to Nintendo.

rsbrowndog wrote:

Waiting until September for an up-to-date version of FIFA sounds like a good idea to me, rather that than a quick port and then buying a new version six months later.

And the rumour about it being based on PS3/360 versions has already been shot down by EA

I've made my point earlier in this post. "Custom built" is just their way of saying "port" by avoiding the negativity that is occasionally associated with it; otherwise, he would have said that the Switch version was designed from the "ground up", which I can say with confidence, that it most certainly will not be. Plus, they never denied that it was a port, they simply reiterated that it was "custom built" which is better for P.R. than using the ugly "p word".

I won't mind a quick port as long as it is released during the launch period of the Switch, and as long as there is a FIFA 18 for Switch in the works. There's really no point in releasing a generic FIFA game on Switch in say, May or June, when FIFA 18 will be released 3-4 months later.

rsbrowndog wrote:

Now it might well be that they end up using some PS3/360 assets, but so what? They are still going to look excellent on the 6" Gamepad screen and aren't exactly going to look terrible on a big screen either.

I don't necessarily have a problem with the lower quality visuals. I just want the same feature set as the current generation versions, so that all players can switch seamlessly between different platforms without needing to readjust to different engines or gameplay styles.

rsbrowndog wrote:

I would be stunned if EA don't bring Ultimate Team to Switch as it is massively popular and generates them a HUGE amount of revenue.

I would be stunned if they did. EA have never given Nintendo instalments of FIFA the "Ultimate Team" treatment. I'm not saying any of this to nitpick at your points. As I've said, I want to be proven wrong. I really, really do. I want EA to give us the ultimate FIFA experience, but history tells us that they won't, and their dubious, weaselly choice of words indicates that nothing has changed between the launch of the Wii U and now.

FIFA devotees won't settle for an inferior version of the game, so what makes them think that players, many of whom own multiple consoles, will choose an inferior FIFA game on Switch in preference to an "Ultimate Team" edition with a full feature set? If EA aren't prepared to go all in, then FIFA Switch will just be FIFA 13 on Wii U all over again.

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rallydefault

@sillygostly
I don't play sports games at all, so for most of your wall of text, I really don't have much to say. But perhaps we should all just fall back on this age-old piece of wisdom: maybe we should wait until the game has actually been released before making judgment calls on it.

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mav-i-am

All the FIFA bulids will be based around the PC version, then customised for each console.

Makes no sense to do it any other way.

Switch games list,

Legend of Zelda BotW, Human resource machine, NBA Playgrounds, Street Fighter 2, Super Bomberman R, Snipperclips, Overcooked, World of Goo.

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CanisWolfred

mav-i-am wrote:

All the FIFA bulids will be based around the PC version, then customised for each console.

Makes no sense to do it any other way.

Isn't that how they've been doing console porting for years? Or am I mistaken?

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crimsoncavalier

CanisWolfred wrote:

crimsoncavalier wrote:

The rest of the launch lineup is shovelware reminiscent of the Wii or really old games that people (1) don't care about (2) already played. In fact, that's basically how to describe the entire Switch lineup from here until the end of the year.

Thems fighting words...but, I'm not an idiot, so I'm not actually gonna pick a fight about it.

crimsoncavalier wrote:

There's not a single—NOT ONE—third-party AAA title coming to Switch exclusively

Okay, I'm gonna stop you there and ask you: how many third party exclusives have there been in general this gen? As in, real exclusives, not just timed exclusives?

Granted, I'm under the impression that a lot of devs are either being cautious, or didn't have a lot of notice about the system before it was revealed. Not excusing Ninty if that was the case, but I do think that would lend some context for what was announced for launch.

Developed or Published? Because the PS4 (and mind you, I don't own a PS4 nor do I plan on it in the near future) has a lot of 3rd party developed exclusives published by Sony. Don't know if you count that. But even if you don't, one word: Bloodborne.

I mean, you're right, there haven't been a TON, but the Switch is barely getting any new 3rd party multiplatform games, period. I'm just saying I expected more when they said they were bringing back 3rd parties, which is what they said about the Wii U. And at least with the Wii U they ACTUALLY tried. It failed, sure. But they tried.

AlliMeadow wrote:

@crimsoncavalier

Breath of the Wild
Super Bomberman R
1-2-Switch
Snipperclips
Arms
Splatoon 2

It sucks that you aren't excited for these games, but when we look back at the switch release, I bet we'll see that it had some of the best reviewed release games (which is the only way to actually try and objectively come to a consensus of whether the launch lineup was good)

Only Breath of the Wild is going to be looked at as one of the best reviewed release games. The rest aren't. Even assuming 1-2 Switch and Arms are mildly entertaining, they're not worth $60 full retail price. They should be bundled in with the game as the tech demos that they are. Splatoon 2 isn't a launch title. And if you're genuinely excited for Snipperclips, I really don't know what to say.

FGPackers wrote:

crimsoncavalier wrote:

you can't just play ONE game for 5 months
There's nothing else worth playing between BoTW and Xenoblade 2
That leaves us with Splatoon 2, Xenoblade 2, and Mario Odyssey for the entire 2017

Super Bomberman R
Shovel Knight Specter of Torment confirmed for March (MAYBE BEFORE ALL OTHER PLATFORMS)
I am Setsuna
MK8D
Arms
Lego City
NBA 2K/FIFA
Fast RMX
FE Warriors
Disgaea 5
Xenoverse 2
Skyrim

Super Bomberman R - Honestly how many people actually care about this game? Be honest. How many people are actually getting this?
Shovel Knight Specter of Torment - An expansion for an old game, as I said.
I am Setsuna - Old
MK8D - Glorified Wii U game. Also, not launch.
Arms - Maybe I'm the only that doesn't care about this game in the slightest, but okay, you got me.
Lego City - Not launch
NBA 2K/FIFA - Not launch
Fast RMX - I'll give you this one
FE Warriors - Not launch
Disgaea 5 - Old, and as of right now, not launch in N/A or Europe
Xenoverse 2 - Xenoblade? Not launch
Skyrim - SUPER old and NOT LAUNCH

Your post proved nothing.

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@Grumblevolcano

Sorry, totally missed this post. But that would be the worst case scenario. Summers tend to be slow, and if Nintendo could pull off both Splatoon 2 and Xenoblade 2 in the summer, that would be incredible.

crimsoncavalier

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CanisWolfred

@crimsoncavalier - Well, it's not like Bloodborne was a launch title. Actually, the PS4 had a terrible launch line-up, and I know I was disappointed that I bought a PS4 a little over a year after the machine came out, when the games I was all excited about didn't come out until 2016, at least out of the ones that have released at all.

If nothing else, I commend any attempts to temper one's enthusiasm when the simple fact is that its safer to wait rather than buy it at launch.

That said, I think you're trying too hard and damning all the games before they're out. Seriously, do we even know enough about what ARMS is coming with to say whether or not it'll be the "complete package"? I mean, I know even Splatoon was fairly content-light at launch, but I still had tons of fun with it. I cetainly wouldn't appreciate it if they pulled the same drip-feed stunt again, and it only worked because they were more or less were honest about rushing it, and had more coming coming down the pipeline, but sometimes having all the bells & whistles isn't as important as having a fun time.

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crimsoncavalier

CanisWolfred wrote:

@crimsoncavalier - Well, it's not like Bloodborne was a launch title. Actually, the PS4 had a terrible launch line-up, and I know I was disappointed that I bought a PS4 a little over a year after the machine came out, when the games I was all excited about didn't come out until 2016, at least out of the ones that have released at all.

If nothing else, I commend any attempts to temper one's enthusiasm when the simple fact is that its safer to wait rather than buy it at launch.

Oh, no of course. The PS4 AND the XBO had laughable launches. And it was so for, like you said, almost a year. It was nothing but incredibly underwhelming games and remake after remake after remake of PS3 and 360 games.

But just because they did it doesn't mean Nintendo should do it. We're all Nintendo fans, and we (at least I did and most of the Nintendo fans on message boards I go to) all criticized Sony and MS for their launch libraries. And now that our beloved Nintendo is doing it, we can't just turn around and defend them. Criticism goes both ways, and that's why I'm saying it.

I wasn't going to get a Switch at launch anyways (not for lack of wanting), but now I likely won't be getting one for a good while. I need to see that library increase.

crimsoncavalier

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CanisWolfred

@crimsoncavalier - Again, I commend that, but I also recommend not being overly critical. The PS4 had a bad launch line-up, but it got better fairly quickly, and now its swimming in games. Granted, that's Sony, of course that was going to happen. I certainly get that Nintendo's never been so lucky, and we should never assume that they could afford to make the same mistakes. I'm just saying that caution goes both ways - you come off more like you're condemning the line-up out of the gate, instead of just...not being excited about it. Feels like you're getting worked up about it, even though I don't think that's you're intention.

And is Specter Knight just the expansion?! Everything I read about it (including their Blog post in June) made it seem like an update to the main game, just...not on the Wii U and 3DS...

EDIT: Ugh, Yacht Club! They keep changing up the pricing of Shovel Knight so they get more money! I'd be more bitter if their game wasn't so good...

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crimsoncavalier

@CanisWolfred Not sure if it's the full game or just the expansion, but does it matter? The expansion is new, but the game itself isn't.

And to be honest, to an extent, I am getting worked up.

I'll be honest, I've been playing Nintendo consoles since I was 3, and to see a potential disaster for the company that I grew up with is actually getting me worked up probably more than it should. It's "just" video games, right? I know it isn't rational, and I'm not trying to justify it, but it's the truth.

I want Nintendo to succeed because I want to continue to enjoy Nintendo products. This launch line-up stinks. It's not average. It downright sucks. People who are criticizing it are doing so because it's a bad launch. It's not that I'm not excited, because I'm just one guy—who cares what one guy likes. It's about a lot of gamers out there looking at this lineup and thinking "No thanks."

And all the hype is being reserved for Zelda, which alone makes this a great launch (I know I just contradicted myself), but as I said in my first post on this thread: you can't just play Zelda for 5 months. People get tired of the same game. It would be nice if there were more than just one game worth getting at launch for the majority of people.

crimsoncavalier

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CanisWolfred

And again, I think you're being overly critical. But I guess I could just have broader tastes. I mean, I'm in a similar position - I want the Switch to do well, yet I don't think the launch is good enough to warrant buying at the start. But I don't think it's terrible - ARMS looks fun, and I'd certainly buy it at a discount. 1-2 Switch just isn't my thing, same with Snipperclips. Super Bomberman R looks rad, I don't know what your problem is. I Am Setsuna may be old, but I didn't buy it on the PS4, so now if I ever do get it, it'll be on the Switch. And of course, Zelda is such a big deal that I'll inevitably buy it again, even if I already play through it on the Wii U.

The rest of the first year stuff I've seen fit into those categories one way or another. Its not that I think the games aren't good, it's just that I'd need a bunch of games that have me go, "Heck yeah!" in order to buy a new system for it. Honestly, I think that'd be difficult even for Sony to do right now. In fact, I don't think I've seen a single terrible game yet, and if that isn't a good sign, I don't know what else could be.

Otherwise, I think I get why I've been so concerned about your attitude - how much of what you said up their really your own opinion? A lot of it sounded like you were worrying what other people thought about it. That's the stuff you can't control, and that's where I just try to hope for the best, especially if I'm talking about the thing with others. After all, breeding an air of negativity sure as hell won't help the thing succeed, especially at this stage.

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AlliMeadow

@crimsoncavalier you think the launch sucks. I don't really think launch day matters, because I buy a lot of games, and as long as launch day has one or two games I want plus some VC or Indie titles, I'm good for quite a while. I, like most people who play video games, don't have the time to play 24/7. When I'm truly excited for a game I can end up playing quite a lot, but I can also go a week or two without touching a game system. Most people are happy if they get Zelda, some people don't really care for Zelda but enjoy the idea of Bomberman and Snipperclips.

I've said this before, but come on people! Let's look at the Nintendo franchises having games released during the first year of a console.

NES
Donkey Kong (port)
Donkey Kong Jr. (port)

SNES
Super Mario World

N64
Super Mario 64
Mario Kart 64
Star Fox 64 (remake)

GCN
Super Smash Bros. Melee
WaveRace: Blue Storm
Super Mario Sunshine

Wii
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (port)
WarioWare: Smooth Moves
Pokémon Battle Revolution
Super Paper Mario
Donkey Kong Barrel Blast
Mario Party 8

Wii U
New Super Mario Bros. U
Game & Wario
New Super Luigi U
Pikmin 3
The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker HD (remake)

Switch
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (port)
Fire Emblem Warriors
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe (port)
Splatoon 2
Super Mario Odyssey
Xenoblade Chronicles 2

Of course Nintendo have more franchises now then back in the day. Still, I would say that the only contender against the Switch 1st year is the Wii. Although I think getting Splatoon 2 and Super Mario Odyssey beats anything the Wii had its first year hands down. Of course the Switch also has new IPs. This of course goes for all the other consoles as well, so I excluded them since we can't know how fun those games will be, the same as we couldn't know back then.

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MumboJumbo

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2017/170131_2e.pdf

This is Nintendo's release schedule for the fiscal year ending March 2018. It looks like a solid 1st-party first year lineup if Xenoblade 2 and Fire Emblem Switch don't get delayed. The only problem I can see is the lack of 3rd-party titles filling the gaps in between. 3rd-party publishers usually focus on one fiscal quarter at a time, so the first year lineup is far from complete. We'll just have to wait and see what other companies have lined up for the Switch.

The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - 03/03/2017
1-2-Switch - 03/03/2017
Snipperclips: Cut it Out Together - March 2017
Mario Kart 8 Deluxe - 04/28/2017
ARMS - Spring 2017
Splatoon 2 - Summer 2017
Fire Emblem Warriors - Fall 2017
Super Mario Odyssey - Holiday 2017
Xenoblade Chronicles 2 - 2017
Fire Emblem for Nintendo Switch (temp.) - 2018

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rallydefault

@crimsoncavalier
Yes, we all want Nintendo to succeed - I would say that even if I wasn't a fan of theirs, because I know having a third option in the hobby is a good thing.

Anyway, I also think you are being super critical.

What's up with people's expectations for console libraries these days? I mean - holy cow, guys. It's like you expect a new Nintendo console to have every game YOU want at the launch or within 1 year, or you're gonna just go around and spread negativity to... uh...make yourself feel better or something? You're being freakin' insane. That's outrageous. Everyone saying, "rumph rumph... I'm not buying the Switch until they have Mario and Zelda and Animal Crossing and Star Fox and Metroid and Metroid again and a NEW Smash and NEW Mario Kart becausethebattlemodeweallcriedforlastyearsuddenlyisntgoodneoughnow blahblahblahblah."

...really? Really, now? Well, cross your arms and settle yourself in for a long wait, because that may never happen. Do you say the same thing for your Xbox or PS4 (if you have one)? "I'm not buying a PS4 until it has FF and Last Guardian and NEW Crash and NEW Sly and EXCLUSIVE Metal Gear and ... actually, I'm having a hard time with that list because I don't know many Sony exclusives lol.

Anyway, my point is... when the heck did we get so out of touch with our expectations and reality? Dang.

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FGPackers

@rallydefault Can't agree more. I love the Switch concept, i love the opportunity to have limited BOTW D1, i love this thing really a lot! Waiting for Xeno 2 too, i'm so hyped for all of this!

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Andrzej777

Its hard have an objective opinion for me in regard to this whole launch line up.
Personally, I dont really care. I will get the switch eventually. Since I am basically interested in first party games christmas will be a good time to start with the console, buying zelda and mario. As far as mass market appeal is concerned we will see.
I am not interested in that 1.2 switch game or that snippet thing. Arms will be something for the bargain bin for me. At the current game prices I will choose carefully what I pay full price for. I dont know if any so-called hardcore gamers will find anything interesting on the switch.

Its a little bit weird indeed!

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Andrzej777

rallydefault wrote:

@crimsoncavalier
Yes, we all want Nintendo to succeed - I would say that even if I wasn't a fan of theirs, because I know having a third option in the hobby is a good thing.

Anyway, I also think you are being super critical.

What's up with people's expectations for console libraries these days? I mean - holy cow, guys. It's like you expect a new Nintendo console to have every game YOU want at the launch or within 1 year, or you're gonna just go around and spread negativity to... uh...make yourself feel better or something? You're being freakin' insane. That's outrageous. Everyone saying, "rumph rumph... I'm not buying the Switch until they have Mario and Zelda and Animal Crossing and Star Fox and Metroid and Metroid again and a NEW Smash and NEW Mario Kart becausethebattlemodeweallcriedforlastyearsuddenlyisntgoodneoughnow blahblahblahblah."

...really? Really, now? Well, cross your arms and settle yourself in for a long wait, because that may never happen. Do you say the same thing for your Xbox or PS4 (if you have one)? "I'm not buying a PS4 until it has FF and Last Guardian and NEW Crash and NEW Sly and EXCLUSIVE Metal Gear and ... actually, I'm having a hard time with that list because I don't know many Sony exclusives lol.

Anyway, my point is... when the heck did we get so out of touch with our expectations and reality? Dang.

I dont think its all that bad!

Zelda at launch. Followed by mk8 and splatoon 2 as far as online multiplayer is concerned. Then we will get mario for christmas. I dont care too much about fe warriors but will get it eventually. Xenoblade 2 and a new fire emblem has been announced. A new pikmin is to be expected. I would bet there is gonna be gamecube vc coming. And probably a lit more!

Andrzej777

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@AlliMeadow You're forgetting most of the GameCube games though. This is the complete list of Nintendo published titles during its first year (apart from that NBA game they published):

Luigi's Mansion
Wave Race: Blue Storm
Super Smash Bros. Melee
Pikmin
Eternal Darkness
Super Mario Sunshine
Animal Crossing
Star Fox Adventures (yuck!)
Mario Party 4
Metroid Prime

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