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Octane

@BLP_Software Indeed, there's a reason why PS Now is $45 for a three-month sub...

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Haruki_NLI

@Tasuki You're not getting it.

That $20 a year? That aint covering the amount of money would have to put into this with no guarantee those investments will ever be used.

What do you think they would prefer? Pay millions per third party game just to have them on the service/pay a tiny amount per game out of the fee and hope its enough to satiate those third parties if they don't pay them for the game in full upfront, and hope people actually PLAY those games amongst the hundreds they'll have access to, or let users pick and pay for the ones they want.

Fun fact: Virtual Console is often the top selling software on the eShops. And all they could do, since they can access our friends lists on Wii U/3DS via Switch, is give us a $0.99 upgrade fee per game like on Wii U. That's it.

And then factor in this: As you said the Wii U didn't have much of an all install base. So realistically, how many people have actually bought Super Mario World a 2nd time after the Wii? Everyone who will own a Switch? Hell no.

@Octane is right in this agreement - Why do you think PS+ and Xbox Gold are so damn expensive? Because licensing those games, for a service like that that is subscription based, you have to pay up a lot of money per game. And paying to have these games on VC permanently for a subscription as opposed to monthly? That's even more money. That's not just one month, that's years, they would have to pay for in advance.

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Octane

@BLP_Software Let's not forget the costs of running these games if they're planning on streaming them. Streaming them to a system perfectly capable of running the games by itself...

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Haruki_NLI

@Octane $20 wont cover it. $45 wont. Probably not even $60. And again, paying out for those games too? They'd most likely lose money!

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Octane

@BLP_Software Yeah, like I said, there's a reason why PS Now is $45 a month. Maybe there's a reason too why Sony never talks about it, and why it's still stuck in beta limbo. Streaming games just isn't the same as streaming music or films.

So to summarise everything:
1) Nintendo would have to settle for a flat annual rate instead of individual sales that can be as much as the service itself (€20 per Wii game).
2) VC titles are generally the most popular games on the eShop anyway.
3) $20 a year won't cover the costs of running the games, streaming them, and the licensing of third party software.
4) Why stream to a system that is perfectly capable of playing those games itself to begin with?
5) And the entire ''play anywhere'' message wouldn't apply to VC games, since you're dependent on a good internet connection to even play them.

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Haruki_NLI

Thanks for the TL:DR of what I said. I may know a lot about business but I do ramble XD

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SKTTR

What is the point of streaming games that are no bigger than 32MB (biggest N64 games)? Those can directly stream to the Switch's RAM in one go (depending on internet connection this takes approx. 5 seconds) and then can be played from there like a downloaded game, without the need of having further access to wlan.

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Kimyonaakuma

I think we can all agree that this makes no sense?

Who knew that a representative could spark such a long discussion. They might work for Nintendo but they won't know any more than we do, they might even know less.

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Luna_110

Yeah, the analysis pretty much debunked this idea.

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OorWullie

In Nintendo's own words

"Nintendo Switch Online subscribers will have ongoing access to a library of classic games with added online play. Users can play as many of the games as they want, as often as they like, as long as they have an active subscription."

I think the representative is just remembering that statement from back in June or perhaps has heard some mixed up info from a colleague. As it is just now, this online subscription will only include NES games but SNES games are being considered. There's no way they're going to include N64 and other consoles on top of these, at least not with just the basic $20 subscription. They did say back when the Classic Game Collection was first announced as being a 30 day rental of 1 NES game or 1 SNES game, that anyone who missed out on these games will still have the opportunity to purchase the game. They later scrapped the 30 day rental thing but they never said anything more about the games being made available to purchase so as it stands just now, then classic games will be available to buy. So basically VC in other words. There's no way they're just going to leave it at that though. If they're going to make these NES and possibly SNES games available to purchase outside the subscription then I think it's safe to say other consoles will be added too. For these N64/GBA etc games games to be part of a subscription then I think there will be a Premium option. Say $40 a year instead of $20 for the basic. For anyone not wanting to pay the yearly fee, they will have the option to purchase the game separately. It will basically be VC as we know it with a new title and some different options to get the games.

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rallydefault

I think the access through paid online is fantastic. The way I play these older games, it just doesn't make sense for me to buy them outright. For most of the stuff, nostalgia is way more powerful than the actual experience, and I end up playing my 10-dollar purchase (or 20 or whatever) for like an hour before realizing how outdated it feels/how much I'd rather be playing a new game.

You can poo-poo that or call it apologist however much you want; everyone plays different games in different ways. Just how I feel.

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KirbyTheVampire

@rallydefault Same. I booted up Super Mario World again recently, and while it was certainly nostalgic, I didn't spend more than like 15 minutes with it.

As fun as those games were and are, I'd still rather play modern games.

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Joeynator3000

Weird, I'm on my SNES Classic all the time playing Earthbound and Mario RPG.

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Don

I hope that’s not true, I really want to have VC on the Switch to take with me wherever I go.

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Seacliff

Why can't they have both?

Have the Netflix like service to encourage subscriptions, but have paid downloadable titles for those who want to own them... or play them on the go.

Because come to think of it, if it's being streamed it also has to be connected to the internet... ruining the appeal of having VC on Switch as opposed to any other Nintendo console.

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BanjoPickles

I'm calling total bs on that. I'm sorry, but considering how tight-lipped Nintendo is on pretty much everything, I doubt that this dude has the insider information, especially since he can't even be trusted to not divulge that information to a random fan.

It isn't confirmed until Nintendo makes it official. Honestly, I'm starting to believe that the traditional VC is dead (seven months in without a peep? We were getting actual VC support on Wii U three months in). Also, I'm sure that Nintendo realizes that they can't possibly expect people to download Super Mario Bros. 3 for a third (4th?) time without providing a hook (online play). There is no way they're going to create a unified account, which is beyond silly to me! I was dopey enough to sell my Wii U to fund my Switch, saying goodbye to all of my VC purchases. Had it been Sony, it wouldn't have been a big deal because the games are tied to your account rather than the console. To that end, Nintendo is pathetically behind the times.

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Arngrim

Unless they allow us to download the games to the console for when its not connected, i'm doubting this is gonna be a thing.

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skywake

@rallydefault
Honestly I think the "Enhanced My Nintendo" model I described on the previous page is more compelling. Instead of giving you limited access to a library or handing over a single game they give you points. Points which you can then redeem on digital goods. Whether that's a VC title, a discount on a new release or whatever.

But have that as something that runs in parallel to the store itself. Not as a replacement to sections of it. Because while some people might not buy Super Mario Kart again and again and again.... others....

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Therad

Streaming as in "the games run on a server and sends the picture to you" won't happen. There are too much problems with it, both technical and non-technical. There isn't any incitement for nintendo to do this.

Now, a subscription service isn't out of the question. Let's pretend they set it to $5 a month. This would mean a subscriber would have to pay $60 a year. This is probably more than most spends on VC in a typical year. It would also be recurring revenue which is something companies usually prefer.

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