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Topic: Switch Pro, Upgraded Dock, or Switch Mini?

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ThanosReXXX

@NaviAndMii I already checked your profile back when you replied to me, and I already took into account you at least being a grown up. I didn't want this to be some kind of contest, but whatever. I'm 47 and I have a lot more experience than you in the field of IT tech, so pound for pound I more than likely know more, especially what's possible and what not, and I never claimed to have an "elevated view on things", but combined with my expertise in sales & marketing, I do have a broader perspective/point of view, than someone that just has a tech background.

That makes it possible for me to make better guesses on what's possible both tech and marketing-wise than the average Joe on here. That's not me grandstanding, that's just a fact.

And @skywake has a point: you still don't know what it was that we both were talking about, and you even moved goal posts, going from adding tech inside the dock to all of a sudden agreeing that it could be a dongle.

Anyway, I don't think we're going to get anywhere, so no offense, but I'll leave it up to @skywake from here on out. I'm trying to enjoy the rest of my holiday, so I don't really need a side of useless discussions with that...

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I’ll just assume you had a glint in your eye when you typed that .

I might have had...
Glad you interpreted that in the right way. Internet discussions can become all too aggravating these days...

As for your comparison, though:

I kind of semi-agree, so yes and no simultaneously, but let me elaborate:

I don't think that the 3DS/2DS is a good comparison to a Switch with fused JoyCon. The 3DS has ALL the primary functions that the handheld needs to have, and the 2DS more or less showed that it didn't have to lean on 3D specifically.

The JoyCon however, are what sells the Switch, for many people, and removing their inherent ability as separate controllers, with all the tech inside, does indeed make it a decidedly inferior experience, as you yourself already said. No separated HD rumble, pointer functionality, and no sharing of games with 2 players. Not to mention all the games that will become more or less useless. 1-2 Switch being the most obvious example.

They would have to make it a completely separate line, and also pour a lot of extra cash into a new marketing campaign to make this clear to the public.

Sure, on paper it could all happen, but a lot is possible on paper. However, I only look at what would be possible/feasible in practice, and I just don't see it happening. And especially now that Kimishima has stated that they want to sell an additional 20 million systems in the coming financial year, it would truly be very stupid to muddy the waters with such an inferior version. So, no offense but I think chances of that happening any time soon are slim to none, regardless of whether parents would be happier with a system with less detachable parts or not...

And to add to that: you wouldn't be the only one that wouldn't be buying that system...

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NaviAndMii

EDIT: @skywake Sorry - I missed your post the first time around! Made for fascinating reading! All I meant by that (the first part) is that Thanos was comparing the Dock to a 'refrigeration unit' - and I don't think that they put much more thought in to it than 'we'd better not block the vents off' ..but I think that we should move away from that really.

It's the second part that I'm interested in; I wasn't aware of this 'thunderbolt' tech at all - I appreciate you taking the time to post that...illuminating stuff! I can't really add to what you've already said (makes a lot of sense) but I'll certainly have a read up on thunderbolt - 'knowledge is power' and all that!


ThanosReXXX wrote:

And @skywake has a point: you still don't know what it was that we both were talking about

Yes I do.

and you even moved goal posts, going from adding tech inside the dock to all of a sudden agreeing that it could be a dongle.

That's the idea of a discussion. If someone makes a point that you hadn't considered - you consider it, then continue the discussion. I read his points, mulled them over, saw things in a different light, then tried to move the conversation forward...what you might call 'moving the goalposts', I call showing a little 'flexibility and open-mindedness' - you should try it.

Anyway, I'm out.

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I should add that the Switch lacking thunderbolt is only part of the issue with the idea of a "dock +" . Those external GPU enclosures rely on the fact that the base system is good enough for an upgraded gpu to be all it needs. Basically in the pc world most systems are not bottlenecked by the GPU. This isnt the case with the Switch (or the xbone/ps4 tbh). The Switch also has a fairly low spec cpu and a relatively small amount of ram. Decent given the gpu it has, not up to spec if you dropped a significantly higher spec GPU in there.

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@skywake Yeah, I was kind of wondering whether a mini-upgrade might be possible (something to edge the Switch a little closer to PS4/X1 when Docked) - but the main kicker (amongst others) seems to be that USB 3.0 connection the more I read (I think I rather overestimated it) ..and I suppose that when you consider that 'current gen' games such as DOOM are already running on the device, the scope becomes narrower still.

Well, I can go to bed knowing that I've learned something today at least! ..and slightly embarrassed that I didn't that a technology that's been around since 2011 even existed - shows how long it's been since I built my rig! ..very, very enlightening stuff - I thank you for that!

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I'm sure they are redesigning the dock because all the original docks are warping slowly.

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progx

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But then we have the idea of a upgraded/4k dock. Instead of the Switch doing all the heavy lifting the dock outputs it's power onto the TV at a glorious resolution. This would make extra use of the dock instead of it just being a glorified and overpriced HDMI cable.
Plus there is also the fact that the save files are saved into the Switch's system instead of the cartridge.

I don't think it wouldn't be too far from the truth. An upgraded dock has been in my thoughts since Nintendo echoed a focus on accessories. Maybe, a "true" dock, that not just upscales to full 1080p, but houses all the data, games and console information. Before the Switch was released, there were rumors tied to a combo unit: portable + console. Possibly, Nintendo just released the unit with a dock made for travel without sticker shocking the consumer as Microsoft did with the original Xbox One with Kinect.

The speculation on the pro dock has died down tremendously, I think it may be time to revisit the idea since Nintendo wants to expand the Switch through additional peripherals this year. The "Pro Dock" may be the appeal to the "traditional" gamer and could be coming soon. I suspect Nintendo is going to announce the existence of this device this year.

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@progx Well since it's sort of confirmed we aren't getting a Switch pro like device anytime soon it would make sense to revisit this idea.
But I'm kind of hesitant seeing @ThanosReXXX said the ideas listed are possible, just not in the way we would think.

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ThanosReXXX

@iLikeUrAttitude Well, I'll take the compliment, for sure.

But mind you, none of us can look into the future, I'm just theorizing, based upon my own knowledge of tech, the market and how people/the target audience would react to this, and with all that combined, I just don't see it happening any time soon. A revised model could of course always come, seeing as Nintendo has done this multiple times already, but I don't think it will be a system that is going to be wildly different or one that will create a huge inequality between players.

So, perhaps a "The New" Switch, with a little more oomph inside and a better screen, but no pro dock with additional hardware inside or whatever, because that too, would create too big of a gap between portable and docked play.

Oh, and be sure to also check out @skywake's comments in this thread. He has some smart things to say as well.

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ThanosReXXX

@rjejr Yes I do recall them. And it was actually me who first posted about Magic Leap, with that video clip of that big blue whale diving out of the gym floor at some high school.

Interesting article. Maybe it might also mean that the same tech will also being used in the next Switch, or whatever the next Nintendo device is going to be called...

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rjejr

@ThanosReXXX "that big blue whale diving out of the gym floor"

Yeah, that golem is a few steps below big blue whale. They've gone from "Magic Leap" to "Baby Steps".
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ThanosReXXX

@rjejr Well, you know what they say: "one small step for man... "
So, they apparently went from desirable to reachable, then.

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