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Quarth

So my favorites so far: Isabelle, Ike, Simon and Lucas.

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Joeynator3000

A lot of the new Final Smashes I'm not a fan of (especially the ones when the CPUs target me constantly in 8-player battles even when I'm in last place. >_>), but I will say Sheik's is just awesome now. lol

I also like how you can control Starstorm's direction.

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Morpheel

I feel like Jigglypuffs final smash is less... Bouncy.

It would usually completely launch other people off the stage and to their doom. Now they kinda just get gently pushed around.

Most of the deaths yesterday were from friends jumping off the stage trying to avoid the shockwave.

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jasonbourne

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Grumblevolcano

@LinkAtWild Erdrick would be a very Joker-esque DLC pick. Joker with main series Persona on Switch in return, Erdrick with Dragon Quest XI on Switch in return (sure it was the first Switch game announcement but the focus has been on the PS4 version), etc.

With Nintendo deciding the DLC characters this time, trying to get deals for 3rd party games on Switch in place so that the damage done by the PS5 and Xbox Scarlett existing is kept to a minimum could be a possibility.

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EvilLucario

Erdrick is not from DQXI. He's from DQIII, one of the most popular games in the franchise.

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Joeynator3000

Delibheel wrote:

I feel like Jigglypuffs final smash is less... Bouncy.

It would usually completely launch other people off the stage and to their doom. Now they kinda just get gently pushed around.

Most of the deaths yesterday were from friends jumping off the stage trying to avoid the shockwave.

I think it was changed in a way that we're not seeing...have you pressed A or something? shrugs

But yeah it seems even less useful now, but when I saw a CPU use it it was acting different. So there's something to it I think.

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HobbitGamer

@LinkAtWild It could be said that Cloud actually does represent an iconic history with Nintendo, given that his game was the one that got away after the SNES/PS fiasco. The series has been on just about everything, and that started on NES.

The Metal Gear franchise has been on multiple console generations, and it started on NES.

Richter being an echo is just a nice gesture to Castlevania fans, with Richter being one of the most powerful Belmont’s in the lore. But her was in Portrait of Ruin, I believe.

Can’t really have Ryu without Ken. I mean, it’s an echo as well, so it’s not much.

I think the fact that there’s quite a few third party offerings also make it more interesting to video game fans in general. It keeps it from requiring a knowledge and appreciation for ONLY Nintendo characters to get some fun out of it. Of course it’s you’re ipinion, and I’m not trying to say it’s invalid or some such ridiculousness, but I think if we all keep beating the “Not in my Smash” horse we’ll just keep ourselves from enjoying the games.

@EvilLucario Yeah, there’s that, too. There’s more franchise history for all the ones OP mentioned

(I do wish you could hide characters on the roster tho)

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Grumblevolcano

@EvilLucario Well it could still be used as part of a DQXI Switch deal. Doesn't necessarily have to be from the same game, just from the same franchise.

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Joeynator3000

Delibheel wrote:

@Sanya_Claus maybe... Guess I'll have to experiment with it in training mode.

Only thing I can think of, I haven't messed with training in general for some reason. xD

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HobbitGamer

@LinkAtWild no worries, I gotchya. I put that in because there are so many folks that DO get mad. I heard some in launch line 😂

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DarthNocturnal

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Actually, Metal Gear started on the MSX2. The NES games were created without any involvement from Kojima. As far as I've read, both are disowned by Kojima and Konami.

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Harmonie

@LinkAtWild I mostly agree with you. Although Erdrick makes a heck of a lot more sense than Joker and Cloud. At least Erdrick's main games originate on Nintendo systems.

Like you, I was fine with third party characters that have a significant relationship with Nintendo systems. A lot of the characters chosen meet this criteria, but then... you get Cloud and Joker. I just don't get it. And I say this as someone who really enjoyed Persona 5 (it's definitely the best game I have played this year), and someone who will personally enjoy having Joker. These characters have absolutely nothing to do with Nintendo. And I find it sad that there are franchises and characters that are first party Nintendo that get neglected for these random third party choices.

But what can we do? This is the direction that Nintendo is taking the series in. I suppose if I can't beat them, I'll join them. If Ultimate's DLC is all going to be third party characters, then I'll hope for Sora, Amaterasu (Okami), and Phoenix Wright. Of course, I don't expect those to happen either (hoping for Amaterasu is probably like hoping for Isaac from Golden Sun, they're cursed). sigh I suppose whatever we get, no matter how random, will still be better than generic Mario enemies. lol and if it's a bunch of random third party characters from gross, violent third party franchises then it saves me the money. Nintendo is lucky that they picked Joker. There are so few other third party characters I'd even get, and those are the three listed above.

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HobbitGamer

@DarthNocturnal Doh! I tend to forget MSX. Only thing I had prior to the NES Action Set was a C64 and a 2600. Thanks for the correction!

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Seacliff

Harmonie wrote:

@LinkAtWild I mostly agree with you. Although Erdrick makes a heck of a lot more sense than Joker and Cloud. At least Erdrick's main games originate on Nintendo systems.

But both Final Fantasy and Megami Tensei originated on Nintendo systems...?

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Cynas

I see Joker as a representation of SMT and Cloud as a representation of Final Fantasy. Both are series with long histories and have plenty of games on Nintendo consoles. It's hard to pick a fighter from those games, though because typically not many characters in FF or SMT carry over from one game to the next. For AMT I guess they could have gone with a generic enemy like Jack Frost since he's essentially the series mascot, but Joker is much more interesting as a fighter because he could use Jack Frost as just one of his moves. Cloud is the most iconic Final Fantasy character and Joker is currently the most relevant SMT character. I think they're both great choices to be in Smash.

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Morpheel

Joker is simply more marketable at this moment. Being the current protagonist and all.

Yeah I don’t know either.

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Mordridakon

Third party inclusion is great I think, putting in iconic franchises beyond Nintendo, turning Smash into a celebration of gaming. Where else can you find Solid Snake facing off against Ryu?

As for the 5 DLC, these were chosen by Nintendo marketing, so expect 5 marketable characters that either have history(Erdrick) or are an upcoming games tie-in(Joker).

Personally, I'd like to see Lara Croft in the game, but SE is probably going to be stingy about it like they are for Cloud.

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