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Pigeon

I know this is only in the rumour phase right now, but by GOD I hope it turns out be true. I've not bought a full retail Switch game in months, and only have plans for Dark Souls Remaster this year, so this is music to my ears. And Star Fox is the only Nintendo franchise I have any care for.

I for one think the idea of a Star Fox racing game would be pretty rad. Think of the SF64 3D's multiplayer fights, but on rails, essentially. Though perhaps, if the game really is in the works, the talented guys at Retro Studios have a few other tricks up their sleeves to inject some creativity and variety into the concept.

I guess they could essentially do the same multiplayer fights as in SF64 too, as the tracks could be reworked to be fully explorable. It's possible this is what the rumoured 'boss fights' are being to like (unless they're just one-on-one races).

You've basically got something more like Mario Kart again, but with players alway flying on their kites. Or Sonic Transformed's flying sections, but more more obstacles to avoid, perhaps.

And that's just assuming the races would be only consisting of the arwings. If you throw the tanks and all the other vehicles seen in installments such as SF Zero, that would also make for some other interesting scenarios.

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Haru17

This doesn't make any sense to me. Why put one of your only competent action/adventure devs on an ambitious racing game when Mario Kart 8 released 4 years ago and you have a popular new console you have yet to sell a billion copies of MK with?

I'm open to seeing this or something else from Retro at E3, but I cannot foresee an outcome where the Switch won't end up with 3 AAA racing games and not that many action adventures. You know, like the Xbox has.

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19Robb92

I wouldn't mind if this is real. A StarFox racer sounds like a strangely fitting concept for the series as a whole, and I think it'd be very different from Mario Kart.

Having a hub world, bosses etc. alongside a solid online component would be fantastic. That's something I've wanted in Mario Kart for years.

RETRO has crushed other Nintendo studios at their own games every time, so if this is true it'll probably be the best StarFox game since N64.

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Octane

@19Robb92 I would argue that it's not even that difficult to surpass Star Fox 64!

Anyway. I'm still not entirely sure how believable this is. We've heard reliable rumours of Retro working on an original IP, a project they pitched. But then again, we've also heard rumours of troubled development when this Star Fox rumour surfaced. So there's a fair possibility that they have been working on an original game, but due to development issues, Nintendo stepped in and assigned them a project. Assuming this has been in development for a few years, maybe it's the result of Miyamoto obsessing over the Star Fox franchise during the late Wii U era?

Anyway, I cannot help but think that a spin-off the last thing the franchise needs at the moment. But maybe it's for the better, since franchise is an absolute mess, both in terms of quality, but also in a general gameplay direction, it's all over place. So this doesn't come as a surprise looking at Adventures, Assault, or their latest spin-off; Guard.

I also cannot help but think there's another franchise in the racing genre that people want to see make a return. I can't remember it's name... but I'm certain Nintendo has forgotten its name as well

Octane

jump

If it is an on-rail racer then I see absolute no point in releasing this over F-Zero, but if you take advantage of the 3rd dimension and not have a set course (like do you go through an asteroid field, look for a black hole or any number of other possible paths) then I could see potential in this.

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dharmajones93

Yeaaaah, I'm having trouble understanding this. I've never played much of F-Zero, but with all of the demand for another one, I just don't understand how this makes sense.

I would love a new Star Fox, that is one of my favorite franchises, but I don't think I would get this. I have MK8 and I don't even play that all that much. On the other hand, I would be all over a new F-Zero. Making a racing game anything other than F-Zero seems like a missed opportunity, and making a Star Fox spin-off sounds like the nail in the coffin.

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SKTTR

I don't know what to make of the racing/flying portion yet, but the free-roam adventure hub intrigues me.

Let's see how they bring Corneria City to life from the view of a pedestrian. I hope it's full of adventure, npcs, shops, and modes and not just a level select.

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ReaderRagfish

I think it sounds cool and wouldn't mind it being true, but deep down I know that no matter how good a Star Fox racing game would be, I'll just be disappointed it's not F-Zero.

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judaspete

Assuming this turns out to be true, I'm looking forward to it. I picture it playing a lot like SkyDrift, or even Freaky Flyers. But, you know, better. This is Retro Studios after all.

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Yorumi

I think it's a bad idea if true for a number of reasons.

First of all it continues the abuse of the Star Fox IP. It's not at all hard to make a good Star Fox game and nintendo refuses to do so. There is no reason in the world Star Fox 64 should remain the best game in the series today. The only reason the IP is in the state it's in is sheer utter incompetence in it's handling. This game would further that abuse which leads into the second point.

First of all if anything people want f-zero not f-zero reskinned with Star Fox. The problem is despite the talk do people really want F-zero? The last few F-zero games didn't exactly light up the charts. I'm not saying we shouldn't get one, or that niche games are bad, just that it's not exactly a popular franchise. Now lets slap the Star Fox name on it. A name that, at this point lets face it is almost synonymous with shoddy work and crappy games. Now you're going to annoy the people who want F-zero, annoy the people who want Star Fox and set yourself up once again for an uphill battle with a Star Fox. It almost makes me wonder if nintendo is intentionally trying to make Star Fox games fail for some reason.

A third reason is we have Mario Kart for racing. I know it's somewhat different but still. What we don't have is a good Star Fox game, and we havn't had one in over 20 years. If the reviews are good I won't shut it out from spite but it will annoy me. So I really do hope it's not true.

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kkslider5552000

Yorumi wrote:

I think it's a bad idea if true for a number of reasons.

Thankfully you didn't say "valid" or "good" reasons. Just...reasons. Those are in fact subjective reasons you presented.

Though I do agree that Star Fox is a fairly mishandled IP. Not Sonic levels of mishandled, but it's so bizarre that they never were able to figure out how to make another game even close to the level of 64. Crimsons Skies, Rogue Squadron, Ace Combat all existed after this. It shouldn't be this hard. Like, how did Rare fail to make a Zelda game? How did Namco fail to make ground combat interesting in any way? How did Miyamoto make an overly complex game that confused players? It just doesn't fit.

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Pigeon

Yorumi wrote:

The only reason the IP is in the state it's in is sheer utter incompetence in it's handling.

No, it's in the state that it's in because nobody wants to buy a 3rd person rail shooter that's only 3 hours long and has little to no replay value or multiplayer options. Every game in that genre for the last 20 years has basically tanked. Panzer Dragoon Orta, Omega Boost, Sin & Punishment 1 & 2, Star Fox Zero, Yar's Revenge, etc, despite all being awesome games.

Anyway, I've had enough of Mario Kart. It's been the same thing with every iteration. I don't know why people are obsessed over a new F-Zero either considering how limited the gameplay is, and how it's been completely shattered by the far superior Wipeout series. Don't get me wrong, the cube installment was brilliant (it was developed by Sega's arcade studio, the kings of these kinds of games after all) but I don't see how another game like that is going to set the world on fire.

What we potentially have here is a whole new kind of racer that's not completely dragged down by previous iterations. That's assuming it's just a racer, and that we won't see some pretty fun, creative other modes ala ARMS.

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Yorumi

Pigeon wrote:

No, it's in the state that it's in because nobody wants to buy a 3rd person rail shooter that's only 3 hours long and has little to no replay value or multiplayer options. Every game in that genre for the last 20 years has basically tanked. Panzer Dragoon Orta, Omega Boost, Sin & Punishment 1 & 2, Star Fox Zero, Yar's Revenge, etc, despite all being awesome games.

That's way to limited of a view. There are plenty of things they could do with Star Fox to make it work. Every Star Fox game since 64 has been hamstrung with stupid things. The thing is we saw one obvious way forward in Splatoon. Splatoon has a short single player and yet it succeeds greatly. You could do a similar multiplayer focus with Star Fox. You could also go in the direction of management, tactical, probably rpg would work. Heck the Rogue Squadron games were highly popular, they could go in that direction as well.

That's what I mean by incompetence. When Star Fox Zero was demoed almost everyone said the controls sucked and were ruining the game. Nintendo went forward with it anyway and even had to go so far as to make the targeting on the main screen purposely inaccurate to force people to use their idiotic idea. Nintendo for some strange reason refused to harness the great potential in their IPs.

BTW the arcade racer genre is quite possibly less popular than the rail shooter genre right now.

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Kinoen

Yorumi wrote:

I think it's a bad idea if true for a number of reasons.

First of all it continues the abuse of the Star Fox IP. It's not at all hard to make a good Star Fox game and nintendo refuses to do so. There is no reason in the world Star Fox 64 should remain the best game in the series today. The only reason the IP is in the state it's in is sheer utter incompetence in it's handling. This game would further that abuse which leads into the second point.

First of all if anything people want f-zero not f-zero reskinned with Star Fox. The problem is despite the talk do people really want F-zero? The last few F-zero games didn't exactly light up the charts. I'm not saying we shouldn't get one, or that niche games are bad, just that it's not exactly a popular franchise. Now lets slap the Star Fox name on it. A name that, at this point lets face it is almost synonymous with shoddy work and crappy games. Now you're going to annoy the people who want F-zero, annoy the people who want Star Fox and set yourself up once again for an uphill battle with a Star Fox. It almost makes me wonder if nintendo is intentionally trying to make Star Fox games fail for some reason.

A third reason is we have Mario Kart for racing. I know it's somewhat different but still. What we don't have is a good Star Fox game, and we havn't had one in over 20 years. If the reviews are good I won't shut it out from spite but it will annoy me. So I really do hope it's not true.

Basically this ^
Except I can see myself shutting it out despite reviews.
If Nintendo wanted another racing game besides Mario Kart, why not start up Diddy Kong Racing (Despite RareWare making it, Nintendo still owns Diddy and can make something similar to it.) again or Kirby's Air Ride?
The fact they are not going with Diddy, Kirby or the most obvious one, F-Zero, but instead Star Fox, tells me they have no idea what to do with Star Fox anymore, which is a damn shame since they could easily make a "Mass Effect" type game with it, especially since there are virtually no games like Mass Effect. That would leave Star Fox basically unopposed.

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This thread is irrelevant until the rumor is correct.

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link3710

@Azooooz This thread will always be irrelevant in the greater scheme of things, whether the game is real or not. Doesn't mean people aren't allowed to discuss things they'd like to see here.

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@link3710 Well, they're free to discuss. I'm just stating the obvious.

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Yorumi

@Kinoen exactly. A Star Fox mass effect type game would be cool. Star Fox like elite dangerous would be neat, rogue squadron, and I could keep going.

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