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BlueSkies

Jason723 wrote:

Why do people keep thinking the system in launch in 2016?

The N64 was announced in 1995 and launched in 1996, the GCN was announced in 2000 and launched in 2001, the Wii was announced in 2005 and launched in 2006, and the Wii U was announced in 2011 and came out in 2012.

They're going to announce the NX in 2016, so looking at that pattern, it will be releasing in 2017.

The Wii wasn't actually revealed until E3 2006. The NX will launch in 2016 without a doubt. Reggie has sworn that Nintendo will not show 2017 products in 2016.

"We tend to focus our activity on the games that are launching within the next six to nine months for showing at E3."

Kuhang wrote:

dumedum wrote:

In the same interview he says we are very early in the generation, so it confirms they are not killing the Wii U at all. I think the 3 years comment they made about Metroid points to a 2018 release of a new console, not earlier.

That sounded more like we're still early in this generation so even if we bring on our new hardware we have enough time to compete with the PS4 and Xboc One since it's going to be a long generetion.

Exactly. They are looking at bringing hardware to market to compete with those platforms over the remaining five years.

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DefHalan

BlueSkies wrote:

Jason723 wrote:

Why do people keep thinking the system in launch in 2016?

The N64 was announced in 1995 and launched in 1996, the GCN was announced in 2000 and launched in 2001, the Wii was announced in 2005 and launched in 2006, and the Wii U was announced in 2011 and came out in 2012.

They're going to announce the NX in 2016, so looking at that pattern, it will be releasing in 2017.

The Wii wasn't actually revealed until E3 2006. The NX will launch in 2016 without a doubt. Reggie has sworn that Nintendo will not show 2017 products in 2016.

"We tend to focus our activity on the games that are launching within the next six to nine months for showing at E3."

He was talking about Software, Hardware is different.

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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BlueSkies

DefHalan wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:

Jason723 wrote:

Why do people keep thinking the system in launch in 2016?

The N64 was announced in 1995 and launched in 1996, the GCN was announced in 2000 and launched in 2001, the Wii was announced in 2005 and launched in 2006, and the Wii U was announced in 2011 and came out in 2012.

They're going to announce the NX in 2016, so looking at that pattern, it will be releasing in 2017.

The Wii wasn't actually revealed until E3 2006. The NX will launch in 2016 without a doubt. Reggie has sworn that Nintendo will not show 2017 products in 2016.

"We tend to focus our activity on the games that are launching within the next six to nine months for showing at E3."

He was talking about Software, Hardware is different.

Hardware, software-- they are both products.

BlueSkies

DefHalan

BlueSkies wrote:

DefHalan wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:

Jason723 wrote:

Why do people keep thinking the system in launch in 2016?

The N64 was announced in 1995 and launched in 1996, the GCN was announced in 2000 and launched in 2001, the Wii was announced in 2005 and launched in 2006, and the Wii U was announced in 2011 and came out in 2012.

They're going to announce the NX in 2016, so looking at that pattern, it will be releasing in 2017.

The Wii wasn't actually revealed until E3 2006. The NX will launch in 2016 without a doubt. Reggie has sworn that Nintendo will not show 2017 products in 2016.

"We tend to focus our activity on the games that are launching within the next six to nine months for showing at E3."

He was talking about Software, Hardware is different.

Hardware, software-- they are both products.

But they require different advertising. The quote you referenced even says "games" which means software. Announcing Hardware so close to release won't give developers much time to get excited for it and develop for it. If they were launching in 2016, which I don't think they are, then they would need to announce it within 6-9 months, which most likely won't happen.

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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IceClimbers

DefHalan wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:

DefHalan wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:

Jason723 wrote:

Why do people keep thinking the system in launch in 2016?

The N64 was announced in 1995 and launched in 1996, the GCN was announced in 2000 and launched in 2001, the Wii was announced in 2005 and launched in 2006, and the Wii U was announced in 2011 and came out in 2012.

They're going to announce the NX in 2016, so looking at that pattern, it will be releasing in 2017.

The Wii wasn't actually revealed until E3 2006. The NX will launch in 2016 without a doubt. Reggie has sworn that Nintendo will not show 2017 products in 2016.

"We tend to focus our activity on the games that are launching within the next six to nine months for showing at E3."

He was talking about Software, Hardware is different.

Hardware, software-- they are both products.

But they require different advertising. The quote you referenced even says "games" which means software. Announcing Hardware so close to release won't give developers much time to get excited for it and develop for it. If they were launching in 2016, which I don't think they are, then they would need to announce it within 6-9 months, which most likely won't happen.

To be fair, developers would already have dev kits by now and know what the system is like. That's what's troubling though - if developers have received dev kits, they've done a terrific job at keeping that under wraps. There hasn't been any hints at all from developers about them receiving NX dev kits.

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DefHalan

IceClimbers wrote:

DefHalan wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:

DefHalan wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:

Jason723 wrote:

Why do people keep thinking the system in launch in 2016?

The N64 was announced in 1995 and launched in 1996, the GCN was announced in 2000 and launched in 2001, the Wii was announced in 2005 and launched in 2006, and the Wii U was announced in 2011 and came out in 2012.

They're going to announce the NX in 2016, so looking at that pattern, it will be releasing in 2017.

The Wii wasn't actually revealed until E3 2006. The NX will launch in 2016 without a doubt. Reggie has sworn that Nintendo will not show 2017 products in 2016.

"We tend to focus our activity on the games that are launching within the next six to nine months for showing at E3."

He was talking about Software, Hardware is different.

Hardware, software-- they are both products.

But they require different advertising. The quote you referenced even says "games" which means software. Announcing Hardware so close to release won't give developers much time to get excited for it and develop for it. If they were launching in 2016, which I don't think they are, then they would need to announce it within 6-9 months, which most likely won't happen.

To be fair, developers would already have dev kits by now and know what the system is like. That's what's troubling though - if developers have received dev kits, they've done a terrific job at keeping that under wraps. There hasn't been any hints at all from developers about them receiving NX dev kits.

Which is why i don't think it is happening. Devs probably wouldn't need Dev kits exactly until about a year before the systems release, to be able to do control refinement and optimization. Before that, they could know what kind of specs Nintendo is aiming at and the new controller's possibilities. But they haven't hinted at anything yet which would either mean it isn't coming out in 2016, or Nintendo isn't giving any developers insight to the new hardware, which seems unrealistic.

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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iKhan

BlueSkies wrote:

DefHalan wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:

Jason723 wrote:

Why do people keep thinking the system in launch in 2016?

The N64 was announced in 1995 and launched in 1996, the GCN was announced in 2000 and launched in 2001, the Wii was announced in 2005 and launched in 2006, and the Wii U was announced in 2011 and came out in 2012.

They're going to announce the NX in 2016, so looking at that pattern, it will be releasing in 2017.

The Wii wasn't actually revealed until E3 2006. The NX will launch in 2016 without a doubt. Reggie has sworn that Nintendo will not show 2017 products in 2016.

"We tend to focus our activity on the games that are launching within the next six to nine months for showing at E3."

He was talking about Software, Hardware is different.

Hardware, software-- they are both products.

He was full of it when he said it this E3, and he still will be full of it next E3. They announced late 2016 titles this E3. Zelda just wasn't ready.

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kereke12

If they claimed that the NX wasn't going to replace the Wii U or even the 3DS. Then what the hell is it then? People keep claiming that it may be a hybrid but that's kind of hard to believe. Could it be a new console but still uses the Wii U or even 3DS. But not a Hybird? Hmm, so many questions.

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iKhan

Read the context. He meant that they aren't just going to release a more powerful console that's otherwise identical for the Wii U. He wants it to offer a new experience in itself.

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Jacob717

kereke12 wrote:

If they claimed that the NX wasn't going to replace the Wii U or even the 3DS. Then what the hell is it then?

It's a console. They're just saying it's not going to replace the Wii U, so they don't discourage people from buying Wii Us. They did the same thing with the DS. They said the DS wasn't replacing the GBA, but it did. It even had a port for GBA games.

Jacob717

NinChocolate

I'm sure as Nintendo is preparing its NX reveal and communicating with third parties about the platform, information will come out in some fashion before next E3. We'll just have to wait till then to move our guessings forward.

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NinChocolate

Kuhang

DefHalan wrote:

IceClimbers wrote:

DefHalan wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:

DefHalan wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:

Jason723 wrote:

Why do people keep thinking the system in launch in 2016?

The N64 was announced in 1995 and launched in 1996, the GCN was announced in 2000 and launched in 2001, the Wii was announced in 2005 and launched in 2006, and the Wii U was announced in 2011 and came out in 2012.

They're going to announce the NX in 2016, so looking at that pattern, it will be releasing in 2017.

The Wii wasn't actually revealed until E3 2006. The NX will launch in 2016 without a doubt. Reggie has sworn that Nintendo will not show 2017 products in 2016.

"We tend to focus our activity on the games that are launching within the next six to nine months for showing at E3."

He was talking about Software, Hardware is different.

Hardware, software-- they are both products.

But they require different advertising. The quote you referenced even says "games" which means software. Announcing Hardware so close to release won't give developers much time to get excited for it and develop for it. If they were launching in 2016, which I don't think they are, then they would need to announce it within 6-9 months, which most likely won't happen.

To be fair, developers would already have dev kits by now and know what the system is like. That's what's troubling though - if developers have received dev kits, they've done a terrific job at keeping that under wraps. There hasn't been any hints at all from developers about them receiving NX dev kits.

Which is why i don't think it is happening. Devs probably wouldn't need Dev kits exactly until about a year before the systems release, to be able to do control refinement and optimization. Before that, they could know what kind of specs Nintendo is aiming at and the new controller's possibilities. But they haven't hinted at anything yet which would either mean it isn't coming out in 2016, or Nintendo isn't giving any developers insight to the new hardware, which seems unrealistic.

Actually the developers might probably have the dev kits for Nintendo's next console? and already have dropped some hint on that. Ready At Dawn's Paul Sams recently revealed that they have been working on their engine to deliver games on PC, Xbox One, PS4 and an unannounced platform, which probably could be the NX. It's not a sure shot but circumstances are heavily pointing towards the NX direction.

" Since the release of The Order, we have been very hard at work to advance our engine and technology to a place where we can deliver our games on PC, Xbox One, PS4 and one other unannounced platform that you will soon find about. "

Source : http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2015-06-05-blizzards-pa...

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DefHalan

^ seems pretty unlikely that it is Nintendo's next system to me

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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skywake

Kuhang wrote:

I think I brought up a valid point that when Reggie said "We’ve also said publicly that we are already hard at work on our next home console" that Nintendo never talked about any Home console of any sort that they were hard at work, but what they did talk about was that they are at work with NX, which hints heavily on being a home console. So try to build up on that or counter it instead of just shooting that down. And nobody is fortune telling here, just trying to discuss about the possibilities or maybe even predict, could be for fun or just out of curiousity. That's what all these forum is about.

Well they've been talking about new hardware for both portable and non-portables. It's just that nobody seems to care when they talk about portable hardware. People just assume that everything is about their home-consoles. The facts are that he said home-console and not NX. Assuming that he must mean NX because NX is the thing on the tip of everyone's tongue? That's not confirmation.

And yes, forums are about discussing the possibilities. I'm suggesting other possibilities, things that what they're saying could mean. Don't just shut what I'm suggesting down entirely just because it doesn't fit within a more popular narrative. Who knows, we could both be right/wrong. NX could be both a portable AND a non-portable. It may not even be a hybrid, it may an ecosystem of dedicated pieces of gaming hardware. Everyone could be wrong.

Bolt_Strike wrote:

Porting games between two systems also reduces revenue. Pretty much any way Nintendo goes about this they're going to lose hardware sales, the concept itself cannibalizes their market.

Well I can see about ten Nintendo developed franchises that we already expect on both and when we do get them they're largely identical. We already have that situation. And I'd say there are probably that many again which are developed on one platform or the other that could easily be on both.

Applying it just to the games from this year's E3:

  • Star Fox on Wii U: We would probably already have a higher res version of the 3DS remake
  • Mario Tennis on Wii U: Definitely would have already had it. This is precisely the content it would hit most
  • No Wii U Animal Crossing: Wouldn't happen, they would have done it alongside New Leaf
  • No Wii U Metroid: Surely they would have done that Federation Force game on both
  • Mario Maker: Would have surely also been on 3DS
  • Big games like Xenoblade etc: No change, still exclusive to the home console
  • Smaller games like that Zelda: No change, still exclusive to the portable

And ontop of that if it was that much easier to port games between the two. If it was largely just a matter of improving the assets and optimisation? They'd slash the amount of time they're spending on already developing the vast bulk of their games for both. Thus opening themselves up to releasing more content in general. I can see how it could result in reduced hardware sales (I don't need their home console, I have all the games I need on my portable) BUT it would drastically increase the potential for software output. Maybe by something like 50%. Which would mean more reason to get into their ecosystem in some way and would open you up to more games whatever platform you picked.

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Kuhang

DefHalan wrote:

^ seems pretty unlikely that it is Nintendo's next system to me

Could be, but can I ask why is that you think it is unlikely?

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DefHalan

Kuhang wrote:

DefHalan wrote:

^ seems pretty unlikely that it is Nintendo's next system to me

Could be, but can I ask why is that you think it is unlikely?

The only history they have with Nintendo is a port of a PS2 game. It doesn't make much sense for Nintendo to try to work with Ready At Dawn compared to other companies. Maybe they are working under a publisher who got a dev kit but i would find that unlikely, why would a publisher contact a company that mainly works on Sony systems to work on a Nintendo system?

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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iKhan

DefHalan wrote:

Kuhang wrote:

DefHalan wrote:

^ seems pretty unlikely that it is Nintendo's next system to me

Could be, but can I ask why is that you think it is unlikely?

The only history they have with Nintendo is a port of a PS2 game. It doesn't make much sense for Nintendo to try to work with Ready At Dawn compared to other companies. Maybe they are working under a publisher who got a dev kit but i would find that unlikely, why would a publisher contact a company that mainly works on Sony systems to work on a Nintendo system?

I will say this. Nintendo has demonstrated an extraordinary ability to adapt and change. Just this year, we have seen some increased collaboration between them and third parties with Project Treasure and Skylanders.

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skywake

Kuhang wrote:

DefHalan wrote:

^ seems pretty unlikely that it is Nintendo's next system to me

Could be, but can I ask why is that you think it is unlikely?

"Since the release of The Order, we have been very hard at work to advance our engine and technology to a place where we can deliver our games on PC, Xbox One, PS4 and one other unannounced platform that you will soon find about."

They're just saying that there is another platform that they're going to release games on a platform other than PC/XBOne/PS4. One that they haven't announced yet. I didn't read that as them saying that the platform they're going to develop for is a new platform. I read it as them saying that they're working on putting their on another platform and they're not ready to announce what yet. That could be NX..... but it's worded in such a way that it could also be Wii U, 3DS, iOS, Android, Vita........

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BlueSkies

@DefHalan
If it's X86 based, the third party titles that would be ported to the console in the future would already be in development on other platforms. It's not impossible that somebody outside of Nintendo has been given specs for ports already, but Nintendo is always the worst about working with third parties and getting kits out quickly.

Jason723 wrote:

@BlueSkies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anRy0JeHeCY
Go to 33:39, he shows off the Wii at E3 2005

Exactly what I was pointing out-- they gave us absolutely jack at E3 2005.

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