Topic: Should Nintendo release more 'Deluxe' games on Switch?

@StuTwo Or you know, people were expecting a sandbox 3D Mario and not just NSMB in 3D.

@NaviAndMii
I think you're re-writing history a bit there. There were plenty of good games on the Wii U before they mentioned NX. Pikmin 3, Wind Waker HD, 3D World, DKC:TF, Mario Kart 8, Bayonetta 2 and Smash Bros. And while Mario Maker and Splatoon were released after "NX" they were announced at E3 2014 and failed to get the market that excited. The Wii U had fallen flat well before they started talking about NX.

And that's assuming that the average consumer even knew about NX......

Now that we have Mario Kart, if just make a port of Smash Bros I think I'm set. Oh, and whether it's by update or dlc RELEASE BLOCK FORT FOR MARIO KART BATTLE GOD DAMMIT!

Smash 4 Deluxe is coming, even if Nintendo still isn't saying anything concrete. Its just a matter of waiting.

Short answer, yes.

Long answer, heck yes.

Extra long answer: They definitely should on their biggest franchises. Mario Kart, Smash, Super Mario Maker now that it's out there. Maybe even bundle up Tropical Freeze and New Super Mario bros Wii U as a 2D-platformer Deluxe set.

I would double dip on all of those and I sure hope they port Paper mario as well.

Oh... and sequels and ports altogether, all for it, go for it. Wonderful 102 etc.

Whatever gets me good quality Ninty games, Im all for it.

For all that want many Deluxe WiiU games, why would someone that will only use a Switch in Docked mode not just go get a WiiU?

Especially for games that have little online content.

Seems to me you can get a WiiU and loads of great games for the same price as a switch alone...

In the same way that many stuck with the 360 when Microsoft were releasing games on that and the X1.

@mav-i-am Short answer: future-proofing. Most people would not buy a Wii U over a Switch now, even with the price disparity, because the Switch is the locked-in console of Nintendo's (immediate) future. While the Wii U has that great library of games, you're pretty much accepting that the next big Nintendo release is going to pass you by.

At least a decade, probably more. It's such a bummer. Those rumors were always so disheartening, and the final product is just... not. The poe lantern and cave of shadows feel cheap. They even walled off the fishing pond in Ordon like some cheap environment in a bargin bin title. That's disrespect.

I hope we get a decent new version after Switch. Something that has at least PS4-level prettiness. I love the soft colors of Twilight Princess's environments, and it would be great to see their lighting updated. Plus they could allow players to go to the four final dungeons in any order like they've always been clambering for and utterly fail when they need the spinner or dominion rod for the City in the Sky, which has its own kind of value.

I think my answer is yes and no. I personally feel with the way Nintendo has dealt with Deluxe this is the only way they should do ports. And a lot of the Wii U titles really feel like complete games already. That is not to say there aren't some that could use a Deluxe version

Hyrule Warriors - A version that includes all Wii U and 3DS content. Maybe a few more scenarios and characters?
Pokken - New modes, new characters and new stages. Boom. Done.
Super Smash Bros - I would say include all DLC and 3DS exclusive content (including Smash Run) and a few new characters or stages.

But there is the problem. Out of the Wii U's incredible library, there are really only three titles that benefit. 1 from a difference between 3DS and Wii U and the other two being multiplayers which need updates. And that is how it should be. I feel personally that multiplayers are the games that would benefit from a Deluxe port the most. Single players really don't benefit that well from a Deluxe port.

I'm aware of the reasons for the slightly sniffy reception for the game from the Nintendo fanbase. Failing to properly signpost the game or explain it to that group is part of the marketing failure of the game but not the only marketing failure of the biggest.

Although I think the idea that Nintendo would make a Mario 64 esq exploratory 3d platformer on Wii U was always somehow out of nowhere. Mario Galaxy had a hub area but most of the actual levels were pretty linear and the camera was free floating but often completely locked. Mario Galaxy 2 basically did away with the hub area and the levels (to me at least) felt a bit more linear than Mario Galaxy 1 with more areas that gave you a locked camera.

I don't actually think that 3d World was a huge leap from Galaxy 2 - it was certainly following the trends. Thematically it's less impressive but there's the same beating heart under 3d World as there is under the Galaxy games.

That Nintendo couldn't communicate this was a big issue typical of the Wii U era. Perhaps it was in part because they'd launched the console with a NSMB game that had some similarities on a conceptual level - i.e. multiplayer and a backwards looking aesthetic and structure. Incidentally I think this is one reason why Odyssey will be a single player only experience with a free floating camera - to give a NSMB Switch some room to breathe.

The problem is that (I suspect) VC releases in general sell far fewer copies than a "major" retail re-release/port and they can't pull in some of the system level QOL functions that a port can.

They also command far less attention in the games media than a port can. Which is important. Wii U had a ton of great games on VC but they rarely got any attention beyond Nintendo fan sites. Controlling the message surrounding the system and giving us a regular stream of information is essential to give the preception of a healthy system.

In some ways it's more important than actually giving us a regular stream of "new" games to play because the vast majority of gamers don't buy more than a 3 or 4 games a year anyway.

For some games, yes. For example, I don't think there is much need for a new Smash game anytime soon since Smash 4 is only about two and a half years old. So just an update to some of the game modes would be enough there.

For other games a straight port should just be fine.

1. A Wii U doesn't play Switch games
2. A Wii U isn't portable in the same way the Switch is
3. A Wii U may be cheaper than a Switch but a Wii U and a Switch isn't

@skywake I was generalising a bit to keep my comment relatively brief, but framed the comment around the reasons why I didn't end up getting a WiiU - and how I saw things from my own perspective...

When it launched, I was still getting a lot of enjoyment out of my Wii, so I was in no rush to 'upgrade' - whenever I was tempted, the lack of games ended up turning me off - but I was always planning to pick one up at some point...

The potential 'system selling' Nintendo IP for me are Zelda, Mario Kart, Metroid, F-Zero, Smash Bros and Mario - or something innovative that captures my imagination in the way that Wii Sports did (maybe if Mario Maker would have launched earlier?) ..those games were either completely absent, or absent for far too long....2014 was probably the year I'd have been most likely to pick one up - with Mario Kart 8 and Smash Bros being the big tempters - but they started dropping hints about NX that year and I feared that they could wield the axe on the WiiU at any moment...a price-drop maybe could have helped but, again, there was little movement on that front either...

I can't speak for everybody, but I doubt I'm a unique case...either way, the WiiU's library was quite 'back heavy', with many of the better titles coming out at the latter-half of the consoles life - porting some of those over to the Switch could a) plug a few gaps in the Switch's library and b) bring those quality titles, that a lot of time and effort went in to making, to a wider audience than they could reach with the WiiU...as someone who missed out the first time around, I'd be all for it!

1.If you want MK8, BotW & Smash Bros (the one most feel is coming as Deluxe), why would you need to play Switch games?
2.Many don't use the undocked mode.
3. If you can delay (or avoid) getting a switch, then that becomes less of an issue.

NaviandMii shows some (many?) are willing to wait for something to sell them the system.

@NaviAndMii
They started talking about NX in 2015 not 2014. Three quarters of the million sellers on Wii U and three quarters of the games ranked above 85% on Metacritic launched before the NX was mentioned. Anyways, I get that people are hyped about playing games they missed out on. I was the same way when they put out New Play Control games on Wii. I'm not arguing with that at all. All I'm saying is that "talk of NX" didn't kill the Wii U. The Wii U was treading water before then, the lack of games in 2016 took it under.

@mav-i-am
1. Because maybe people want to play other games......
2. Many do, what's your point? You asked why. That's a why.
3. And? If you have a Switch you can avoid getting a Wii U by buying Switch versions of those games

oh, you are one of those people................

my bad.

You're missing the point. It's not that they didn't communicate what the game was properly, even if they'd have done that the reception still would've been mixed among the fanbase. The game itself was just a style that 3D Mario fans didn't want. It's the same reason why there was so much uproar over Federation Force, they knew exactly what was going on with that game, the problem was that it wasn't the game they wanted.

Again, missing the point. It's not about whether or not there was any evidence of a sandbox Mario game coming, it's about wanting a Mario game that appeals to their interests, which 3D World did not. And yes, Galaxy did start to trend away from that, but it still retained elements of the old formula, you had multiple levels to select, you had some exploration based gameplay, you had the unique story and setting, etc. The linearity is about the only thing it DOESN'T have in common with 64 and Sunshine. Hence when you see people talking about 3D Mario they usually associate Galaxy more with 64/Sunshine than 3D Land/3D World. 3D Land/3D World was just a step too far for that audience, it threw away pretty much everything else Galaxy kept and went full on NSMB in 3D.

It's more than that. One of the larger issues surrounding 3D World and the Wii U in particular was the lack of a big, open world type of experience. The IPs that we typically saw to fill that niche either trended away from exploration gameplay (3D Mario, Metroid) or just didn't have a game out to fill it (BotW, which came too late to help the Wii U). The only game on Wii U that really fit that bill was Xenoblade Chronicles X. So that audience really had little reason to buy Wii U. Nintendo just didn't do a good job appealing to its audience in that area, most of its lineup was either recycled ideas from previous generations, spinoffs no one wanted, or otherwise underwhelming and half-baked ideas.

Anyway, as far as the actual possibility of a 3D World Deluxe, I don't think there's many people that want it that don't have a Wii U and don't already play the 2D games. 3D World is just preaching to the choir of classic 2D fans. It'd be better to stick with 2D Mario in 2018/2019 and then maybe a new 3D linear game later on.

@mav-i-am I wasn't too far off the position of @NaviAndMii in 2014. Ultimately I bought a Wii U that winter but it was a close run thing because by the time it had an appealing selection of games for me it was pretty clear the console was doomed.

@skywake is right that NX wasn't mentioned in 2014 but the sales of Wii U and the failure of Mario Kart 8 to turn things around (alongside the obvious success of the PS4 which would overtake Wii U in lifetime sales that year) meant it was clear that Nintendo would be dropping Wii U sooner or later.

Still in 2017 I think it's fair to say that not everyone wants or can have 2 consoles set up side by side. For me it has to be Switch and the Wii U has unfortunately gone away to the "I love this and I'm sure I'll have time one day to play this again" box (i.e. it's never going to see the light of day again). I'd like some of those games on my Switch.

Which is why I'll also add a 4th to Skywake's list:

4. Some people just want to play every game on their Switch

Oh sure, I just mean that hinting at NX was one of the final nails in the WiiU's coffin, so to speak - you are right, it was certainly treading water before then - and I was wrong about Nintendo dropping hints about NX in 2014 (Google isn't agreeing with me on that point either!) ..so perhaps Christmas 2014 was the crucial sales period for the WiiU? ..and when potential customers, like me, still didn't buy one, they decided to cut their losses.

..but they still didn't give it much of a chance - it's rare that I'm an 'early adopter' of technology, especially if I'm still getting maximum enjoyment out of the 'old tech' (like I was with the Wii) ..during that period, I didn't have have much of an expendable income, so I really had to justify premium purchases - the games that began to attract me, personally, to the system started to come in 2014 - by 2015, I had my sights set on NX instead - so there was really only a ≈ 1 year window where it'd have been high up on my list of things to buy...not great. (..dropping hints so early basically killed my interest in buying a WiiU for much of 2015 and 2016 - because I knew their focus had shifted)

My case with the Switch was a little different a) I had the cash available, b) I travel fairly regularly so I really bought in to the 'hybrid' concept and c) my Wii feels a little stale now - and I needed some Nintendo in my life!

..but I can see @mav-i-am's point about players who only plan to use the console on TV - I picked up a cheap Xbox 360 really late in its life, got some second-hand copies of Skyrim, GTAIV, Red Dead Redemption etc. dirt cheap too - and really enjoyed it! ..would definitely recommend doing that sort of thing, especially if someone is a little strapped for cash You could probably get pretty good value out of a WiiU at this point!

Now that I own a Switch though, this:

..is certainly true for me! My other consoles are basically just gathering dust - even my PS4 (haven't played it since February!) - I just want to play everything on my Switch! I'm loving it more than I even hoped I would - which is unbelievable!

@Octane
That might've been Nintendo's choice rather than Tantalus though.