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HobbitGamer

@Yorumi Hey, I respect your opinion just as much as I respect everyone's. The great thing is we don't have to have the same point of view, and the market can decide which direction it wants to go.

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Alantor28

@HobbitGamer True that. I respect others opinions (Well, almost most of the time) even if they are negative opinions and I don't mind the Online Service. Heck, I saved up my eShop funds to prep myself for it.

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HobbitGamer

@Alantor28 My only legitimate hope for something they haven't announced; a messaging service for folks only on the friend list.

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FaeKnight

I'd sort of appreciate a messanging service (and maybe voice chat) that isn't game specific and limited to using the smart phone/tablet app. Especially since currently the messaging service is limited to only Splatoon 2.

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Yorumi

@HobbitGamer @FaeKnight Doesn't that speak volumes when they want you to pay and can't even be bothered to provide the most basic of features?

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HobbitGamer

@Yorumi No, not really. In order to use voice chat on Xbox Live you've gotta be Gold. And this is 1/3 the yearly cost. So it doesn't bother me if there's no centralized messaging.

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FaeKnight

Yorumi wrote:

@HobbitGamer @FaeKnight Doesn't that speak volumes when they want you to pay and can't even be bothered to provide the most basic of features?

With XBL you can send voice mail or instant messages if not a paid member. You can browse the shop and make purchases. And you can play certain online only games like MMOs or 'Free to Play' MOBA. You can also do things like watch Youtube or netflix. Originally video streaming services had been gated behind Gold Membership.There was a lot of backlash about that though, so it was reversed in 2014. You also have to be a paid subscriber to use the Cloud Save feature. And if you let your account laps, any game saves on the cloud are unavailable to you.

When the X-Box Live service first rolled out on the original x-box it was limited to in-game voice chat and playing online multiplayer or other "online" features of a game. Ninja Gaiden for example had an online mode which was basically "super hard" mode, but still single player. This too was gated by being a paid XBL subscriber. One nice thing is that the "games with Gold" free games are still playable even if you decide not to renew Gold membership. Once you claim the free game, it's yours.

For Playstation Plus, the paid service of PSN, you get the ability to play online multiplayer, discounts and demos unavailable to non-members (same as XBL Gold), and a selection of free games each month. But if you ever decide not to renew your PS+ membership, all those free games are unplayable due to them also requiring PS+ membership to play even after you claim them. Oh, you also get cloud game saves and in-game voice chat.

To be honest, yeah I think that Nintendo Online has a lackluster set of benefits compared to the others. But then again this is Nintendo's first real attempt at creating such a service. Friend codes are a pain, and the lack of communication tools is annoying. But I remember Sony's first attempt at online service with the PS2 Network Adapter. And even at launch Nintendo Online will have more benefits then X-Box Live originally did.

I also think they are dropping the ball with how voice chat is handled. But hopefully they'll learn and do something better in the future. But other then online backup of your game saves, discounts, and voice chat Multiplayer is the main, often only reason to subscribe to the other consoles premium services too. Okay, yes I mainly subscribe to XBL Gold for the free games. But Nintendo is already planning on having retro games available as part of your subscription. Here's hoping the list of games included is expanded upon in the future too.

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Yorumi

@HobbitGamer @FaeKnight I mean ok, but I got text and voice chat on discord without paying. Nintendo wants payment and can't even provide text chat. Kind of says a lot to me.

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FaeKnight

Did you know that text chat wasn't part of the original Xbox Live service either? That got patched in later. And to be perfectly honest, lacking voice chat may be a benefit for online multiplayer. Sure it makes teams strategizing harder. But at the same time, 99.9% of the time you wont be strategizing when in an online multiplayer match. Instead it'll be foul mouthed trash talk, whining about cheaters (IE anyone more skilled then the whiner), and more racial slurs then you ever thought existed. All piped right into your ear.

And god forbid anyone actually uses a blue shell during a Mario Kart race. My apartment building had a weekend long Mario Kart 8 Deluxe tournament. And things got kind of loud anytime a red or blue shell got thrown. No profanity or racial slurs, but rather loud. But going online, you' encounter people who rage over anything not going 100% their way.

I use to know someone who was proud that he'd had 30 Xbox Live accounts permanently banned for issuing death threats, cussing everyone else out, and using racial slurs liberally. And that was by 2005. By the time I lost track of him he'd gotten banned over a thousand times, and kept making new accounts. He viewed those bans with pride as a mark of an "elite gamer".

FaeKnight

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ReaderRagfish

FaeKnight wrote:

And to be perfectly honest, lacking voice chat may be a benefit for online multiplayer. Sure it makes teams strategizing harder. But at the same time, 99.9% of the time you wont be strategizing when in an online multiplayer match. Instead it'll be foul mouthed trash talk, whining about cheaters (IE anyone more skilled then the whiner), and more racial slurs then you ever thought existed. All piped right into your ear.

Sounds like voice chat will be essential if Mario Party has online play.

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FaeKnight

It could be. In theory it's an important part of most team based shooters so the teams can cordinate their tactics. In practice, it proves to be more toxic noise then anything. Also, Mario is confirmed to have online play. THe only known online mode right now is 5 random mini-games as a free for all competition though.

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ReaderRagfish

@FaeKnight But when you play 5 random mini games, you don't experience the horrors of chance time...

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Yorumi

FaeKnight wrote:

Did you know that text chat wasn't part of the original Xbox Live service either? That got patched in later. And to be perfectly honest, lacking voice chat may be a benefit for online multiplayer.

Oh come on now this is getting silly. This is basically "it's ok when nintendo does it." 20 years ago someone didn't launch with it so it's ok forever, and hey it's a benefit to not be able to chat with your friends. Yep lets pay $20 to not have basic features. This is why it's so annoying to me beyond anything else, here we have people praising nintendo for not including basic features and making console gaming worse for all of us.

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ReaderRagfish

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FaeKnight

No it's a "why are you expecting a company who's barely even tried having an online service before to offer the exact same service as everyone else" type deal. Playstation Plus didn't start with it's "Instant Game Collection" feature. That was added later to compete with Microsoft who had unveiled their Games with Gold program.

Nintendo came into the Online Multiplayer field late, and hasn't had much of a clue what to do with it till now. They may or may not have the infrastructure for text messages and voice chat without using the app. I don't know, but would hope they eventually figure out a better system. But the initial services Nintendo Online will be supplying are basically the same things everyone else offers. These are:

1. Online Multiplayer
2. Text and Voice chat (via a clunky method that currently only works with one game, granted)
3. an assortment of games you can play at no extra cost (the Retro games vs Games with Gold and
Instant Game Collection)
4. deals and promotions unavailable to non-subscribers
5. cloud based saves

It's possible and even probable that 3rd party games with online multiplayer such as multiplayer shooters will have built in voice chat functionality. I don't know, I haven't even considered trying to play Fortnight or Paladins on any system.

In short you're getting everything you'd have gotten on a different console via their paid online service. Granted Nintendo did some of them in a weird and/or messed up way. And it costs less then the other services. But it's basically the exact same list of available benefits.

FaeKnight

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Yorumi

FaeKnight wrote:

No it's a "why are you expecting a company who's barely even tried having an online service before to offer the exact same service as everyone else" type deal.

Because they are asking for my money. I am not an investor. I am not spending my money with the hope of something improving. I am a customer. It's nintendo's job to offer a product I want. "We're trying" only works among people who see a global corporation as their friend. They are incapable of offering even the absolute most basic of features despite other companies offering those features free, and nintendo wants money for it. And we get from people "well they're trying what do you expect." I expect competence from a 120 year old global gaming company. I expect a company that could put forth even the tiniest bit of effort into something. But they won't, because they know they don't have to. They know there are millions of people who will hand over money for utterly terrible service, for lack of basic features, and praise nintendo for it so why bother?

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FaeKnight

Yorumi wrote:

FaeKnight wrote:

No it's a "why are you expecting a company who's barely even tried having an online service before to offer the exact same service as everyone else" type deal.

Because they are asking for my money. I am not an investor. I am not spending my money with the hope of something improving. I am a customer. It's nintendo's job to offer a product I want. "We're trying" only works among people who see a global corporation as their friend. They are incapable of offering even the absolute most basic of features despite other companies offering those features free, and nintendo wants money for it. And we get from people "well they're trying what do you expect." I expect competence from a 120 year old global gaming company. I expect a company that could put forth even the tiniest bit of effort into something. But they won't, because they know they don't have to. They know there are millions of people who will hand over money for utterly terrible service, for lack of basic features, and praise nintendo for it so why bother?

That's the thing, they are offering those "most basic features*. Online Multiplayer? Check. Voice Chat? Check. Text Messages? Check again.

The way they offer voice chat and text messages I don't like. But 3rd party games, as mentioned, are likely to have native voice chat via the game's servers so wont need to use the Nintendo Online app. Thus it may end up being 1st party games only. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe doesn't use it, but then voice chat isn't really needed for a 12 person race or free for all battle mode match. Unless you want to hear people cussing you out for playing the game the way it's intended to be played. Super Mario Party is probably going to use the app though.

But as always, if you don't feel a service is worth the price you are always free to not pay for the service. Don't care about online multiplayer and don't want to play NES/Gameboy/(possibly)SNES games? Then don't subscribe. As for me, the retro games alone IMO are reason enough to subscribe. The fact that I am occasionally jumping online for a race or three in Mario Kart 8 just sweetens the deal a little.

FaeKnight

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Grumblevolcano

@Alantor28 I don't know whether Nintendo Switch Online will be different but with Xbox Live Gold and PS+ you can't use the equivalent of eshop funds to pay for the subscription. If it does end up the same, I'd recommend buying prepaid subscription cards that you'll find at retail and online sites.

Grumblevolcano

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