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Knuckles-Fajita

@Snaplocket I'm miserable anyway. Best part of clinical depression

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Knuckles-Fajita

@Snaplocket Nah its cool. Im upfront about it.

Ive just learned to expect the worst ya know?

But hey if these rumours are true Ill enjoy the game more than XY.

At least Ill know this is just Kanto again BEFORE playing it!

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Snaplocket

I wouldn't call Kalos a rehash of Kanto. The callbacks are few and far between, it's FAR larger, all the gym leaders are original and it's pretty clearly based off European countries.

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Knuckles-Fajita

They reuse Viridian Forest and Saffron Gym, and again, Kanto starters.

It had more going on but a lot of it was notably Kanto.

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MarcelRguez

@Snaplocket Let's count those "few and far between" references:

  • Gen 1 starters
  • Unknown Dungeon and its endgame Mewtwo
  • Bird trio
  • Asleep Snorlax blocking a route
  • Lots of Kanto Pokémon getting Megas
  • The hideout of the villainous team uses a café as a front and it features spin and warp tiles
  • The guy that trades you his Farfetch'd
  • Also this:
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All that on top of all the NPCs who namedrop Kanto or someone from that region. All of this doesn't make Kalos a rehash of Kanto, but it doesn't feel like the region has an identity of its own.

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shadow-wolf

@YummyHappyPills I'd recommend you maintain a positive outlook for life, it really makes a beneficial difference. Except for things related to Nintendo lol — for Nintendo expect the worst so you end up being pleasantly surprised.

Anyway guys we should know a good amount about this game by the end of next week (if not sooner), so soon we'll know how much all of these rumors are correct. I really really REALLY hope the Kanto in this game is akin to the one depicted in Pokemon I Choose You from 2017, where Kanto has a bunch of Gen 2-7 Pokemon and many trainers have Pokemon from a wide variety of regions. It's going to be quite disappointing if it's just the original 151.

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Snaplocket

@MarcelRguez That only makes up about one to two hours of the game plus a single short forest, in other words, roughly 5% of the entire game at the very most. Everything else is pretty much new.

@shadow-wolf Why exactly do you reccomend, "Expecting the worst," from what's widely considered the greatest game company ever made?

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shadow-wolf

@Snaplocket Yeah I should probably clarify that. What I meant was, Nintendo’s decisions are often so hard to predict and often seemingly outside of normal logic that expectations will probably not be met and you’d end up disappointed and negative towards a game. Expect less and you get pleasantly surprised. I guess “expect less” is what I meant to say.

shadow-wolf

Snaplocket

KaiserGX wrote:

@MarcelRguez "but it doesn't feel like the region has an identity of its own".

Those name drops are just throwaway dialogue of absolutely 0 significance. I'd say the region still has plenty of identity. The spires, gyms, the big city, haunted house, power plant, Team Flare's base, rideable pokemon, Esentia, villain designs, reaching the cliffs and realizing there's a whole 'nother 150 pokemon to find, the shores, all stick fondly in my mind and I can remember the NPC designs very clearly despite not playing it in years.

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MarcelRguez

@KaiserGX It doesn't. All callbacks aren't the same: when you're implementing major identity traits of a previous region into one that's supposed to be its own thing, it ends up feeling as disjoint as an amusement park.

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Snaplocket wrote:

The spires, gyms, the big city, haunted house, power plant, Team Flare's base, rideable pokemon, Esentia, villain designs, reaching the cliffs and realizing there's a whole 'nother 150 pokemon to find, the shores

Out of the elements you mention, only the bolded are unique to/were introduced in Kalos. All games introduce new gyms, new characters, a big city or the hideout of an evil team.

What I mention a region's "identity" I'm talking about elements that define what you do or how you interact with that region. Concrete moments work as well. Puzzles are a good example, like the Ruins of Alph in GSC. Diving feels like a defining trait of RSE, since it fits the setting and it was introduced there first, etc.

All I can think of that's on a similar level in Kalos is trainer customization and yes, riding Pokémon.

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Snaplocket

@MarcelRguez You mean besides super training, new types, mega evolutions, steel no longer resisting ghost and dark, new navigation system, etc?

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-Green-

I disagree. Kalos has several features unique to its introduction that I found super fun. Horde battles, Wonder Trade, Clothing, individual Safari zones, etc. Those are honestly features that make Kalos memorable in my eyes tbh.

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MarcelRguez

@Snaplocket I'm not counting things like Super Training, the PokéNav or the Pokétch because they don't have much to do with the region as a place at all. Neither does rebalancing, although since you can see some Fairy-type designs in the clothing and architecture of the region I'll give the Fairy type a pass. Megas sorta fit too, but they feel tacked in because many of the Pokémon that get one are favorites from previous gens (namely Lucario, Mewtwo and Charizard), so it cancels itself out.

So no, I don't mean like those.

@-Green- You're not really talking about the region of Kalos, you're talking about X and Y as games.

@KaiserGX Your rhetoric is astounding. No wonder you call yourself an influencer.

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