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Heavyarms55

@Tsurii They only do the "can't go back" thing if you actually put them in the new game. If you take your gen 6 pokemon into bank you can send them back to gen 6 so long as you don't put them into gen 7. I'd imagine Home would work the same way. The way I picture it, is that Bank is going to become a function of Home and the old Bank app on 3DS is gonna work like an ATM machine. I think the 450 idea is reasonable, especially if we get the other half in a subsequent game.

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@darkfenrir I've heard people talking about this before but I seriously doubt it is as bad as this post makes it sound. Nintendo, Game Freak and Creatures need each other. They all have a hand in the pot of gold that is Pokemon but that pot will fall apart if any of them push one of the others out.

While the time constraints of making all those animations and 3D models is a legitimate concern an unwillingness to expand and hire more staff is honestly a childish excuse. I flat out do not believe they don't have the resources for it. Pokemon is a merchandising gold mine even to this day and I don't see any reason why they couldn't pull resources from there if needed. Perhaps there are legal reasons that aren't public knowledge, but I am no lawyer.

I think it is also a little extreme that the original poster suggests that Game Freak is being unabashedly criticized by everyone. Certainly there are people upset and disappointed - and I count myself among the latter group - there is hardly a wave of outrage going around.

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@Heavyarms55 That is true, we just don't have enough information on what is going on within Game Freak's company (as well as Creatures / Nintendo) to really draw a definitive conclusion.

Overall this situation just feels bad though, I'm still feeling the reasons they are throwing at us right now isn't the true reason at all, but why hide it? Or maybe this is all just conspiracy theory.

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Heavyarms55

@darkfenrir The hopeful cynic in me (yeah I know kinda a contradiction) wants to believe they are doing this as an excuse to make more games and thus more profit. It will be a lure to buy another game on Switch if that other game has the rest of the Pokemon. And in doing so, we get the rest of the Pokemon. They get more time to work on animations and whatever. So I'm rationalizing it as perhaps a tad of greed on their part because that's easy to understand.

But I am hopeful because I do very much want a Pokemon game on Switch with a full National dex eventually.

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@Heavyarms55 Hopefully so, while I don't need National Dex at all, I want one just so that there'll be less dramas.

Like, honestly, Pokemon got so many dramas every installments it's not even funny. Will there be one generation where there's not much to complain about, or if it has complaints, it's not something huge.

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Octane

@Heavyarms55 @Morpheel 300 is more than enough considering we're probably getting less than 100 new ones. 400+ makes it feel like it's skewed towards the older generations a lot more. I liked Ruby and Sapphire, those games were like 50% old and 50% new.

@darkfenrir @Heavyarms55 Yeah, it's not as bad as that Reddit post makes it seem to be. Like I said, Game Freak didn't do the 3D models, Creatures does them. They're also used in Pokemon GO, and the Pokedex app for iOS for example. They talked about running animations, but those already existed as well. Never used, but they were all present in the code of Sun and Moon.

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@darkfenrir I feel like there would have been almost no issue if this Pokedex thing wasn't a thing. Some people would have whined about Dynamax because people always whine about the new gimmick, but that'd be it.

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@Octane gen 7 had about that many and it felt good for Pokedex itself. The biiiig issue was that they stuffed 80% of the new Pokémon in late- or post-game areas.

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This is annoyingly stupid! I thought they made Pokémon Bank paid for so it would be future proof and avoid these transfer issues.

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Knuckles-Fajita

I think we are missing the big picture here.

Yes, the models are the same. The textures arent.

Think about this. How can a game with just the Kanto region and 153 Pokemon, and not even half the moves in the 3DS games....be the same file size as the latest 3DS game with a larger region and 807 Pokemon?

Easy. Textures are massive.

If Galar has even 300 Pokemon, this game will be huge, literally. And retexturing everything for HD at once is a long task.

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Knuckles-Fajita

@Octane No, but file size = more cost.

Retexturning 809 things is already a chore. Imagine how big the game will be and the cart it would need. I dont think they are being entirely genuine

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Octane

@Knuckles-Fajita The question is, are they actually redoing all the textures? (and is it Game Freak or Creatures?). It would be incredibly stupid if they made high quality models, but didn't future proof the textures. The main difference we're seeing right now is higher quality rendering, different lighting and shaders, and maybe a hue shift.

Well, we have no idea how big the game is going to be in terms of file size, so it's hard to comment on that.

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And FYI, I don't mind this by the way. It was going to happen at some point. They had to cut off some Pokemon eventually, I just don't entirely buy their reasoning.

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Yorumi

@Heavyarms55 @darkfenrir I'm starting to get to the point where I think Gamefreak is engaging in active sabotage of the pokemon IP. When you really think about it they're doing things that we've never seen from Nintendo. A few weeks ago they come out and say they don't really care about pokemon and their focus is their other games, which so far have all been shovelware. Hmm, Town is their focus and Nintendo didn't even show it at E3. They had to know what was going in the show weeks in advance.

They get out and say they're not putting all pokemon in the game which they had to know would tick people off. So the fans hold onto hope and say well maybe there will be a patch or the next game will do it. Gamefreak quickly comes out and dashes that hope saying it's policy now that all pokemon won't ever been in a pokemon game again. It really seems like they sat down and said how can we possibly tick off the fans as much as possible.

We might think some of those decisions had to be made long ago but I don't think so. They've got the models made, they're in Sun/Moon. Given the graphical quality of a pokemon game the models could realistically be reused for a quarter century. I mean the models in pokemon stadium are probably still acceptable today. So why have the just now come out and decided to not include already complete models in this game or any game going forward? I don't think it's purely an E3, town thing but it is suspicious. Why have they been spreading their resources to all kinds of other projects, putting minimal effort into pokemon, and then repeatedly saying things that they have to know will annoy people?

On a slight tangent can we just also point out the laziness of the designs? The new starters are all just differently colored ovals. The legendaries are a dog carrying a sword, and another one carrying a shield. Whew I just cannot imagine how anyone could have so much creativity.

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StableInvadeel

@Octane my reasoning for the number is mostly the wild area. Have a good percentage of those Pokémon be exclusive to the different conditions of the wild area. Some maybe even don’t appear until after post game.

That way each player could be having a rather different experience depending on which ones they find during their main quest, and they can give the players more legacy monsters to play with without overfilling the rest of the region with species, like X and Y.

Keep in mind this could also include the expanded post game dex that these games tend to do, like Black and White for example.

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Octane

@Morpheel Yeah, that's a good point. They can have quite a few of them roaming that field. I just hope there are enough new ones.

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Gamefreak has been known to be pretty bad at optimizing and at getting use to new hardware. I can understand them struggling with this big leap for them. I was a bit confused since I assumed that the stuff with Gen 6 was to avoid these issues in the future, but I can see it. They have very slightly altered some of the models too, so not sure.

Edit: https://twitter.com/pokejungle/status/1139217435486236672?s=20
Apparently in a famitsu interview it was confirmed that’s z-moves and mega evolutions are now gone. Which i understand why, Megas weren’t exactly a sustainable idea and they did bust the power creep of the game and partially the same for z-moves. Dynamaxing is basically the two in one but far far more cost effective. Since they mostly need to upscale the models, but I’m gonna miss Megas. For their time they were unique and honestly dynamaxing is not a very visually appealing mechanic. Maybe if the Pokémon models looked more alive perhaps.

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