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Silly_G

@DarthNocturnal : Unfortunately that's how it works.

And hence why I was specific about wanting the DLC on the cartridge itself as I won't buy a base cartridge with a mere download code. For example, I would have double-dipped by grabbing the Gold Edition of Mario + Rabbids if Ubisoft had included a complete cartridge.

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Eel

Good thing I only bought one game.

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Dogorilla

@Silly_G I'm not trying to be rude here, your opinion is totally valid obviously, but I find it a bit odd that you're unhappy about paying for DLC but you're fine with buying both versions of every Pokémon game. You say that the Captain Toad DLC has a negligible amount of new content and that Smash's DLC is overpriced (I can't comment on the Captain Toad DLC but I partially agree about Smash), but surely the amount of extra content you get from buying both versions of a Pokémon game, compared to just buying one, is even more negligible and is effectively just buying the same game twice. I agree this DLC seems rather expensive and it would be better to have it all on the cartridge as standard, especially given that Sword/Shield has less content than most previous Pokémon games. But if the alternative is TPC releasing the same game again, for the same price, with a handful of new content that you have to play through the game all over again to access, I'll take DLC over that any day.

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Silly_G

@Dogorilla : I didn't detect a hint of rudeness or malice in your comment. I understand where you're coming from, but perhaps I should point out that it's the preservationist/archivist in me that will always prefer having a complete package (even if it's more costly, though of course even I have my limits). As I said, I do not begrudge those who prefer a DLC pack, and absolutely, the option should be available for those who desire it, but a physical option (like Emerald/Platinum/Ultra before it) should also be issued for those who prefer that. My preference for additional choices does not impede upon those who prefer the downloadable option.

Even with prior updates/re-releases, being able to play through the 40 or so hour games again without having to wipe my save data is worth the cost of entry, otherwise I would have just skipped them like many others have (and that's fine too).

But I resent and frankly despise having the choice taken away when it has been standard over the last 21 years, especially as Pokémon games are those that I keep coming back to, and I hate the idea of, for the first time in the franchise's history, not having a complete version of the game on cartridge when no other game in the mainland series has had content added after the fact, or had console-locked DLC content.

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Dogorilla

@Silly_G I see where you're coming from now. That's understandable, it would make sense for Nintendo to release a 'complete edition' with all the DLC on a cartridge. I think they did that with Smash Bros for Wii U but I can't find any info about it now so I'm not sure if it was all included on the disc (or if it was even a real thing or if I just imagined it, which is entirely possible). It's a shame Nintendo doesn't do it with more of their games.
Regarding the ability to play through the game again without deleting your save file, at least the Switch gives you the option to do that with just one copy of the game by making a new account (even if it is a bit of a hassle to do that each time).

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Silly_G

@Dogorilla : There was never a complete edition of Smash on Wii U or 3DS, sadly, otherwise I would definitely have bought such a release. False memories can be a funny thing. I've had similar dreams about products that don't exist over the years.

My biggest gripe with the torrent of DLC nowadays is that we are scarcely given the option to buy a complete package later on. It seems that we are only ever given such options (at least where Nintendo is concerned) with ports of last-gen games, but even so, they have added DLC to ports too (such as Pokkén Tournament and Captain Toad).

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Araquanid

I'm ok with the DLC approach as long as its reasonable to have DLC in the first place.

The obvious red flags, is the idea of them adding pokemon to the game via DLC when they should've been a part of the whole package, and the fact they sold us a rushed $60 game with half the base content a pokemon game normally has. At least that part is free, you don't have to buy the DLC as long as somebody trades them to you or you transfer them via home. There's no dex expansion so you don't have to care about catching all of them, just trading for the ones you need. I guess we can make a pass here as not apart of the price.

Adding new areas however, it depends how many they add but we're getting an additional wild area (idk if the crown tundra has one, just looks like a legendary hunt but there's definitely routes to encounter other pokemon), probably a couple routes, new locations for legendaries like the regis, an underground to find past legendaries (finding past legendaries was typically restricted to the remake/final installment of the generation), so if the surface area is at least half as big as galar when combining DLC, it ain't too shabby.

The addition of move tutors, apricot balls, and more clothing is pretty huge. I don't care for fashion as much but that's a lot of extra content in the clothing, and the move tutors alone are the main reason competitive players even buy sequels, so its almost like they get to have move tutors without having to buy the same game and play through it.

The DLC adds 2 stories as well, and tbh the closest thing we ever had to a post game story was the short lived stark mountain and delta episode, which wasn't all that exciting and more of a time length filler. Having 2 additional stories I suppose makes up for the fact we only got a half baked one in SwSh (it was for the game's box legendaries..) so even the argue of 'a post game should've been there', i think this doesn't necessarily make you pay for a post game, it just makes you pay to add additional ones.

IMO DLC >>>>> new game, would've rather bought USUM DLC than played through SM twice.

The thing the bugs me most is why gamefreak kept this secret, they knew how upset they made everybody when they said they wouldn't expand the dex and everything would be in retirement home, and even said there's no plans for DLC late in development when the DLC started development (it takes them 6 months to design a pokemon, the new legendaries you cannot say they just heard feedback on release and instantly developed) , they could've legitmately saved face if they announced this sooner.

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rallydefault

It's kind of a bummer to say, but welcome to most games since... I don't know, like 2010? Maybe even earlier?

Shipping with 50-75% of content only to add it as DLC later ranging in cost from 20 dollars upwards.

I hope this kind of stuff starts going away and soon. It seems we're finally getting away from loot boxes, but that's been helped by a lot of legal battles. Players need to start standing up on these DLC packs. I wouldn't mind something more in line with expansion packs for PC games back in the day. Most of those were like half the cost of the base game but many (if not all) added insane amounts of game, and it was usually clear nothing was withheld from the original release.

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Grumblevolcano

@Araquanid Most Pokemon games get Pokemon post launch via Mystery Gift (some old and some new) so it's not unrealistic that the expansion legendaries may be or may have been at some point Mystery Gifts, hence the expansion pass could have been a post launch decision.

Alternatively if it was a pre-launch decision, announcing the DLC pre-launch wouldn't have calmed the situation down as from what I can gather it seems the topic has moved to "locking Pokemon behind DLC" even though Pokemon aren't actually locked behind the DLC.

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Eel

Anyone have a mawile and a zacian they could lend me to finish the pokedex?

I don't need to keep them, I just want the dex entries to finish the dex.

I have basically everything else if you need something specific in return.

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Gravitron

@Eel traded my Zacian to some random guy in a discord and never got it back. Recommend asking someone you know IRL.

Literally had to start another game to get another one

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Octane

@Eel Is Zacian the sword one? If so, I could do it, but I don't have a lot of time until later this week. I could also breed a Mawile if you want one.

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Manah

I haven't posted here in a while. Hi again!

I can breed pretty much everything that's breedable, and I've recently started to use specific balls on mons I want to hunt shinies for (Dream Ball HA Hatenna and Premier Ball Milcery and HA Snom so far).

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Eel

@Octane yes that would be great, I can wait.

Ok, a kind mysterious benefactor read this and traded me the Pokemon already, thank you!

@Gravitron hah yes, hate when that happens. Unfortunately the only person I know irl with Sword is my brother, who kinda just stopped playing right before the end, and hasn't continued since November.

I do trust many of the people here though.

@Manah I plan to use the special pokeballs on breeding Pokemon as well. I'm glad the expansion will add apricorns.

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Araquanid

@Grumblevolcano you're probably right about the shift.

I think overall the biggest backlash is the fact that pokemon were cut and, to our assumption, it was meant to be a permanent thing for SwSh, but mostly it was their reasoning for doing it.

What caused the biggest upset was how GF made excuses that were completely false. Keep in mind throughout the whole reveal-release window, GF has said they cut the dex for:

-didn't have the time (whatever fine.)
-better animations (none of the old ones changed at all, and moves without animations still have no animations.)
-better graphics (hardly as one could argue these games look on-par or worse than battle revolution.)
-remaking the models from scratch (completely false)
-a curry dex nobody asked for (i still haven't used this feature a single time.. literally)

So it seems pretty clear to players that they ruined the game for the sake of making it better and failed miserably at that.

What really hurt was when they denied they would ever patch pokemon in SwSh (not just 'no plans', they've flat out claim no once or twice.), and they worded home is for pokemon that you **might** be able to bring into future games.

If they said they cut pokemon to focus on the game itself and didn't have the time to start off with all of them, and planned on patching them in cycles with only an initial pool to start off with, I'm pretty sure everybody's reaction wouldn't be as devastated (assumingly they include the fact that the pokemon get patched in for free seperate from the DLC). GF just did not handle the backlash at all, and I doubt the DLC was the result of the feedback given how long it takes to make content like this. Me for instance, i'm actually ok with the concept of 'releasing in waves' but I had all the resources to assume GF was just killing the franchise.

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