@twindragon
Hey, you're back! I missed your doom and gloom and utter surety that you know more than everyone else.
A "tad bit better performance than the wii u" is your latest rational masterpiece, even though we now have statistics out there that completely refute that claim. Sorry, bro, but your brand of logic doesn't hold up in the face of actual facts now that we have our hands on the thing.
@rallydefault - Hey, I missed your cheery optimism haha. I don't know more than everyone I just use deductive reasoning to come to conclusions. Like the switch using a custom x1 with 256 cuda cores at the clock speeds we've learned about. I know we don't know what the power is yet but based on everything we've read about that's the conclusion I came to. Especially given that the games we've seen and the performance in docked mode. 900p is a 20 percent increase from 720p yet BOTW still has frame dips. That sort of thing shouldn't happen if you are increasing the power of the switch to be close to an xbox one.
But I always like to be proven wrong if its possible lol. You need to tell me about these statistics that refute that claim.
@rallydefault - Dude, I am sorry to say this but you don't know much about tech. Ever since the switch was announced I have researched everything there is about graphics cards. The tegra chip and nvidia graphics specifically etc. I even have more to learn.
You are basing performance over higher clock speeds but clock speeds only work with how the cpu and gpu are built. The wii U gpu is a completely different form factor than the tegra, same with the xbox one. You can't even compare them.
Since nvidia introduced the cuda core all nvidia graphics cards are built with the cuda core and their perfomance can be calculated by a simple formula. the amount of cuda cores x 2 x the clock speeds.
The Tegra x1s max performance is 512 gflops of fp32 with a clock speed of 1ghz. how do I calculate that? 256 cuda cores x 2 = 512 x 1000 = 512,000 is 512 gflops.
The parker chip in the autonomus vehicles can do around 750 gflops. how do they accomplish this. keep in mind the parker chip is using pascal. They increase the clock speeds. The parker chip has 256 cuda cores as well.
256 x 2 = 512, 512 x 1.5 ghz = 768.. so its close to 750. I forget what the exact clock speeds were. I could look it up but I dont need to.
So the switch. given that it uses 256 cuda cores with a 768 mhz clock speed here is the formula
256 x 2 = 512 x 768 = 393 gflops.
There is no fancy new tech they discovered to increase the performance it just is what it is. Now you have to look at equivalent graphics cards that are in the 300 to 500 gflop range because no amount of api support is going to do miracles. When I look at graphics cards I look at the intel hd 530. That is your baseline for a gpu. You look at the games that can run on that. Keep in mind that stripped down versions of next gen games have been done before for the ps3 and xbox 360 but these games are running at 720 p and are lacking decent surface shaders. I cant see docked games getting 1080 p especially when zelda only hits 900p. Also keep in mind the memory bandwidth. its at 25gigs a second. That is the same as the 10 year old ps3.
@twindragon
You don't have to be sorry, man, it's all good. I build computers and stuff for fun, but tech is nowhere near my vocation.
But I'm smart enough to realize that gflops do not equal to raw performance in all cases. But thanks for all that effort! Let's check back in with each other a few months from now to see how wrong one or the other of us was.
@rallydefault - Sounds good to me. I actually want to be proven wrong because I enjoy nintendo. I just don't want to see 3rd parties abandon the system.
@twindragon
Same here. I hope Nintendo succeeds. I think 3rd parties will depend more on sales than the tech. If they get the install base, 3rd parties will make their games work, even if it means downgrading a lot.
Those who have a Wii U (like myself) have no real motive to get a Switch on day 1 since Zelda is a U title already (I got the digital version at midnight lauch day) and given the ridiculous price in my country at least (around $ 500 USD with exchange rates, taxes and so on) I will not recommend getting the Switch for at least next X-mas. No media apps (no netflix, no crunchyroll) in a tablet like console and no virtual console so more reasons to wait.
Switch here cost about 10 000 MXN (my old white Wii U cost me around 3000 MXN before the exchange rate mess) and the Xbox One S and PS4 slim cost about 7000 MXN .
I do want the Switch and I do have the money to spend but it will be more wise to wait a little till sale price stabilises and more Switch only games are available (Mario Odyssey).
P.S. Zelda U runs flawless in my old Wii U I was expecting some slowdown or blurry graphics but nothing so far, so far so good.
Guess how many terflops a gtx 970 can do? Ill give you all the info you need. The card has 1664 cuda cores. The base clock speed is 1050 mhz.
you can use your calculator if you want for the test I don't mind
I have a modest gtx 960 (with a core i7) and is more than enough to run all PS4 games present also on PC, thanks to that I do not need to buy a PS4 in order to get Nier Automata.
Ironically my Lap has 2 video cards the gtx 960 and an intel hd 530 (I have to select the graphic card manually sometimes for some games with the nvidia panel since certain titles chose the intel by default) and the difference of performance between the two is considerable.
Well I can say that, working today at Target, I consistently heard people talk about the Switch and about people calling in about it, and literally EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR A COUPLE OF ACCESSORIES AND A SINGLE COPY OF JUST DANCE was gone.
Funny, I remember reading this thread. The "gangbusters" part sticks in my mind. Can't believe that was 1 year ago though wow.
Who'd have thought this time last year that the Switch would turn out to be the fastest selling console ever and the fan base would be split over a cardboard piano.
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