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GrailUK

shingi_70 wrote:

Tommy_Wiseau wrote:

@GrailUK

Are you kidding me? The Ps2 reigned supreme in that generation, just look at console sales, and how long the console was actually on the market (it just stopped production last year in Japan).

By powerhouse he meant pure power. The Xbox and Gamecube were both more powerful than the PS2 but had drawbacks. The Xbox was a bit late to the party and was more expensive due to the built in HDD. The Gamecube killed its self with an unapealling form factor and a terrible choice of media in the mini disc.

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Also in terms of raw horsepower the N64, SNES and NES were ahead of their competition. It's just that at that point there were ways to be ahead in one measure but not in others. The NES maybe just on par but the SNES just blows the Mega Drive out of the water in terms of the number of colours it could display. The same again with the N64 in terms of the hardware itself although obviously by not going with optical media they lost out elsewhere. It was powerful but that power was "wasted" for lack of a better word.

So really the first Nintendo home-console not to compete in terms of hardware spec was the Wii.... and it was also their most successful. Can you blame them for trying to repeat what they did with the Wii? Much better than trying to copy what they did with the N64 and GC.

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unrandomsam

shingi_70 wrote:

Tommy_Wiseau wrote:

@GrailUK

Are you kidding me? The Ps2 reigned supreme in that generation, just look at console sales, and how long the console was actually on the market (it just stopped production last year in Japan).

By powerhouse he meant pure power. The Xbox and Gamecube were both more powerful than the PS2 but had drawbacks. The Xbox was a bit late to the party and was more expensive due to the built in HDD. The Gamecube killed its self with an unapealling form factor and a terrible choice of media in the mini disc.

The choice of media for the Gamecube was perfect. It is the only optical disk based system that doesn't have the any of the drawbacks usually associated with them. (Certainly having to change a disk once in a blue moon is a fair tradeoff.)

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bitleman

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I don't think he was talking about the commercial success of the system. More about its quality as a gaming console. I owned both and I certainly played my gamecube more. It booted the games so fast and a lot of them didn't have loadings. It was a heaven for people used to arcade pacing in gaming.

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Jaz007

unrandomsam wrote:

shingi_70 wrote:

Tommy_Wiseau wrote:

@GrailUK

Are you kidding me? The Ps2 reigned supreme in that generation, just look at console sales, and how long the console was actually on the market (it just stopped production last year in Japan).

By powerhouse he meant pure power. The Xbox and Gamecube were both more powerful than the PS2 but had drawbacks. The Xbox was a bit late to the party and was more expensive due to the built in HDD. The Gamecube killed its self with an unapealling form factor and a terrible choice of media in the mini disc.

The choice of media for the Gamecube was perfect. It is the only optical disk based system that doesn't have the any of the drawbacks usually associated with them. (Certainly having to change a disk once in a blue moon is a fair tradeoff.)

What about the huge drawback of a lack of storage compared to other forms of discs?

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CaviarMeths

unrandomsam wrote:

The choice of media for the Gamecube was perfect. It is the only optical disk based system that doesn't have the any of the drawbacks usually associated with them. (Certainly having to change a disk once in a blue moon is a fair tradeoff.)

What drawbacks were there that made having 1/3rd the storage space of regular DVDs worthwhile?

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bitleman

CaviarMeths wrote:

unrandomsam wrote:

The choice of media for the Gamecube was perfect. It is the only optical disk based system that doesn't have the any of the drawbacks usually associated with them. (Certainly having to change a disk once in a blue moon is a fair tradeoff.)

What drawbacks were there that made having 1/3rd the storage space of regular DVDs worthwhile?

I think I answered in my previous post. Doesn't mean I didn't love the ps2 though so no need to get nervous. I learnt from other forums a lot of ps2 fanatics get really angry when people say they prefer the other systems of this gen. People can have different taste.

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bitleman

Jaz007

bitleman wrote:

CaviarMeths wrote:

unrandomsam wrote:

The choice of media for the Gamecube was perfect. It is the only optical disk based system that doesn't have the any of the drawbacks usually associated with them. (Certainly having to change a disk once in a blue moon is a fair tradeoff.)

What drawbacks were there that made having 1/3rd the storage space of regular DVDs worthwhile?

I think I answered in my previous post. Doesn't mean I didn't love the ps2 though so no need to get nervous. I learnt from other forums a lot of ps2 fanatics get really angry when people say they prefer the other systems of this gen. People can have different taste.

What? We're talking about a technical aspects of the systems, not which one has better games. This has nothing to do with being a fanatic.

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Jaz007

CaviarMeths

bitleman wrote:

CaviarMeths wrote:

unrandomsam wrote:

The choice of media for the Gamecube was perfect. It is the only optical disk based system that doesn't have the any of the drawbacks usually associated with them. (Certainly having to change a disk once in a blue moon is a fair tradeoff.)

What drawbacks were there that made having 1/3rd the storage space of regular DVDs worthwhile?

I think I answered in my previous post. Doesn't mean I didn't love the ps2 though so no need to get nervous. I learnt from other forums a lot of ps2 fanatics get really angry when people say they prefer the other systems of this gen. People can have different taste.

I'm talking specifically about the storage media. PS2 went with DVDs, which had 3x the storage capacity and were probably cheaper in bulk, since it was by far the more popular format. The only plus I can think of is that the mini-disc would have made piracy harder, but that's a benefit for Nintendo, not for consumers.

For an example of how this wasn't good for consumers, the Gamecube was almost the perfect platform for Resident Evil fans. Resident Evil 1-4, Zero, and Codename Veronica, all native to a single machine. But half of those were crammed onto one disc by Capcom and gimped because of it.

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bitleman

@Jaz007 @CaviarMeths
As I said I already answered to this in my previous post. Please read it.
Also I don't see how the Resident Evil games were gimped. They sure couldn't look that good on ps2 except for Code Veronica which was a Dreamcast port.
And don't talk about "consumers" as it was a unique entity. Consumers can have different taste. As I said I sense the symptoms of the ps2 fanatic emerging.

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bitleman

Socar

skywake wrote:

Also in terms of raw horsepower the N64, SNES and NES were ahead of their competition. It's just that at that point there were ways to be ahead in one measure but not in others. The NES maybe just on par but the SNES just blows the Mega Drive out of the water in terms of the number of colours it could display. The same again with the N64 in terms of the hardware itself although obviously by not going with optical media they lost out elsewhere. It was powerful but that power was "wasted" for lack of a better word.

So really the first Nintendo home-console not to compete in terms of hardware spec was the Wii.... and it was also their most successful. Can you blame them for trying to repeat what they did with the Wii? Much better than trying to copy what they did with the N64 and GC.

Thing is...no matter how you put it, its all really luck based when you think about it. The fact that the Genesis sold just as great as the SNES surprises me a LOT mainly because the Genesis is way less powerful than SNES. I'm positive that the SNES would have had Strider if it weren't for Capcom's laziness into thinking that Genesis is obviously the one that works for the port. The Wii sold well but people still preferred the other consoles because of the "hardcore" aspect. NES would've lost against the Master System if it weren't for Nintendo's actions back then. N64 could have sold more than it had if it weren't for Sony using the disc format. The Gamecube would have dominated the sixth gen era if it weren't for the PS2 DVD support.

Also let's argue a bit here. Everything that Sony and Microsoft did was something Nintendo tried to do earlier but failed. They wanted to use disks for the NES but it failed. They wanted to use Mobile support for the GBA but it failed. They wanted to try out online but it failed. So Nintendo does have the right to think about that and decide not to do it yet because they tried to do them in the first place.

If the NX has to be powerful, it really depends on how Nintendo does it right. If its a handheld, it would be a waste because Vita proves it. If its going to be a console, chances are that Sony and Microsoft might win their because of how much money the two can flush to give more power to them.

But could the NX be something that all of us would want? No. Because some prefer the gimmicks like me because playing games in a new and fun way is something I want Nintendo to do ever since the DS showed up. Where as some would prefer motion controllers like me because there is some potential to it if done right. Some just want a basic controller like all of you because you don't like playing games differently and yet somehow, you want something different because why not?

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Looks like you were right on the money. Anybody who thinks Nintendo will try to start competing with other consoles when it comes to power is living in fantasy land.

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