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Topic: Nintendo NX to run on Android, So what direction is NX heading?

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iKhan

What I think is interesting is that regardless of whether the NX is a portable or home console, it means (if it's true) that Nintendo plans to integrate BOTH pillars strongly with Android.

Remember that last year Iwata spoke about unifying their OSs for home and handheld systems. So if it's Android for one, it's Android for both.

And I think that fundamentally, that's a good thing. It would make Nintendo's platforms far more accessible to 3rd parties, and allow them to unify the platforms with smartphones and tablets in other matters as well (contacts, calendar, music, etc).

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IceClimbers

iKhan wrote:

What I think is interesting is that regardless of whether the NX is a portable or home console, it means (if it's true) that Nintendo plans to integrate BOTH pillars strongly with Android.

Remember that last year Iwata spoke about unifying their OSs for home and handheld systems. So if it's Android for one, it's Android for both.

And I think that fundamentally, that's a good thing. It would make Nintendo's platforms far more accessible to 3rd parties, and allow them to unify the platforms with smartphones and tablets in other matters as well (contacts, calendar, music, etc).

Not to mention it also allows them to have a full media center available right out of the box, and I don't just mean the usual Netflix/Hulu/Youtube either. They can have those and many other apps like Spotify, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Twitch, etc. They can fully surpass what Microsoft was trying to do with Xbox One (ie the whole "all in one" concept).

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DefHalan

IceClimbers wrote:

iKhan wrote:

What I think is interesting is that regardless of whether the NX is a portable or home console, it means (if it's true) that Nintendo plans to integrate BOTH pillars strongly with Android.

Remember that last year Iwata spoke about unifying their OSs for home and handheld systems. So if it's Android for one, it's Android for both.

And I think that fundamentally, that's a good thing. It would make Nintendo's platforms far more accessible to 3rd parties, and allow them to unify the platforms with smartphones and tablets in other matters as well (contacts, calendar, music, etc).

Not to mention it also allows them to have a full media center available right out of the box, and I don't just mean the usual Netflix/Hulu/Youtube either. They can have those and many other apps like Spotify, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Twitch, etc. They can fully surpass what Microsoft was trying to do with Xbox One (ie the whole "all in one" concept).

The more people talk about this, the more I am liking my Micro-Console and Main-Console living side by side idea.

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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Faruko

DefHalan wrote:

SuperWiiU wrote:

DefHalan wrote:

Faruko wrote:

Why would people think that going android = bad ? its an OS.

I just hope they don't have an open market like the Ouya and Smart Phones. There needs to be a closed market on dedicated gaming devices, those devices are were people that play games more often are and they want high quality. They don't want to have to surf through pages of Flappy Bird Clones.

Google doesn't like that other manufacturers have their own market places and user interfaces. They want them to stay close to the Android standard. That and the fact that Android security and privacy aren't very good are good reasons to stick with a regular Nintendo OS and just make it very easy to port games from Android.

That doesn't mean Nintendo couldn't make their own OS with Android as a base, to make porting easier while still have that Nintendo touch and better security/privacy.

I mean, im pretty sure thats the idea. Just like Samsung does with Touchwiz or Sony with their UI.

Building Nintendo UI based on Android, o e of the biggest OS nowadays, with millions of developers, apps, etc... It opens Nintendo to a whole new market, they only need to focus on doing a great experience and fill it with great exclusives games, let the others fill the NX with what it needs (by easy porting from Android phones/tablet).

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IceClimbers

You know, I'm starting to think the NX is not a handheld or a home console, but both. No, not a hybrid. I think the NX may be an ecosystem of their handheld and home console that runs Android as the operating system across both devices - and various models (which Nintendo likes to do with their handhelds). Their'd be connectivity to their mobile games as well, particularly on Android devices (though their account will allow connectivity to those using iOS devices as well).

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Faruko

That could be, and assuming it is...

next year 3DS will be 5 years, the next handheld could have a late 2016 release (near its 6th birthday)... Great timming to launch the NX. Hopefully Nintendo goes for Smartphone like CPU/GPU so developers could easily port them to.

And give it a year or so to iron out the bugs so its ready to be released on the next console.

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iKhan

DefHalan wrote:

IceClimbers wrote:

iKhan wrote:

What I think is interesting is that regardless of whether the NX is a portable or home console, it means (if it's true) that Nintendo plans to integrate BOTH pillars strongly with Android.

Remember that last year Iwata spoke about unifying their OSs for home and handheld systems. So if it's Android for one, it's Android for both.

And I think that fundamentally, that's a good thing. It would make Nintendo's platforms far more accessible to 3rd parties, and allow them to unify the platforms with smartphones and tablets in other matters as well (contacts, calendar, music, etc).

Not to mention it also allows them to have a full media center available right out of the box, and I don't just mean the usual Netflix/Hulu/Youtube either. They can have those and many other apps like Spotify, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Twitch, etc. They can fully surpass what Microsoft was trying to do with Xbox One (ie the whole "all in one" concept).

The more people talk about this, the more I am liking my Micro-Console and Main-Console living side by side idea.

Could you elaborate?

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Kuhang

Faruko wrote:

DefHalan wrote:

SuperWiiU wrote:

DefHalan wrote:

Faruko wrote:

Why would people think that going android = bad ? its an OS.

I just hope they don't have an open market like the Ouya and Smart Phones. There needs to be a closed market on dedicated gaming devices, those devices are were people that play games more often are and they want high quality. They don't want to have to surf through pages of Flappy Bird Clones.

Google doesn't like that other manufacturers have their own market places and user interfaces. They want them to stay close to the Android standard. That and the fact that Android security and privacy aren't very good are good reasons to stick with a regular Nintendo OS and just make it very easy to port games from Android.

That doesn't mean Nintendo couldn't make their own OS with Android as a base, to make porting easier while still have that Nintendo touch and better security/privacy.

I mean, im pretty sure thats the idea. Just like Samsung does with Touchwiz or Sony with their UI.

Building Nintendo UI based on Android, o e of the biggest OS nowadays, with millions of developers, apps, etc... It opens Nintendo to a whole new market, they only need to focus on doing a great experience and fill it with great exclusives games, let the others fill the NX with what it needs (by easy porting from Android phones/tablet).

The likes of TouchWiz and Sony's Timescape UI are pure android with a little cosmetic changes here and there I think what you mean is something like what Amazon has done with their Fire OS or what Oppo has done with their Color OS build a whole new OS based on Android.That would be a more sensible approach.

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skywake

BlueSkies wrote:

If it is true, the article says that they made this decision because of the WiiU, which would confirm the NX to be a console.

Well perhaps you should read the context of it, which is hard because the source is in Japanese but still. It's all there. The only reason they mentioned the Wii U was an example of their problems with third parties. Something which, like it or not, is also true on the 3DS. This doesn't confirm anything of the sort.

BlueSkies wrote:

The downside to this if it is true is that Nintendo will once again not use X86, and their solution for filling the gaps left by missing PS4/PC ports is Android phone shovelware.

Well Android doesn't exclude X86, the thing can run on basically anything. I mean, you could do a least a little bit of googling. That said you are right that the sort of stuff that is on Android won't help fill the gaps on a home console. Not even remotely. Even the best software that has been ported to Android is stuff like GTA: Vice City, Portal and Trine. Not that I don't have those games in my Steam Library but TBH that sort of game doesn't compare to brand new AAA titles.

Although thinking about it. If my Wii U could boot up tomorrow and run GTA: Vice City, Portal and similar sort of games? Even some brand new ones of that sort of fidelity? I wouldn't really be that interested. If however they were on my 3DS or something like a 3DS? Hey, now you've got my attention.

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Faruko

Why would anyone say no to the tons of android games/apps out there ? Console gamers have some kind of self righteousness to believe that theres only bad games on Android...

Android would open up TONS of posibilities, yes, that includes shovelware, but also a lot of great games, port of old games, and new stuff every single day, imagine using chromecast to use your NX in any TV you want.

And obvious AAA games from Nintendo and other companies

In what world would that be bad ? As long as Nintendo doesnt get lazy and has some kind of quality control to some of the weird apps, then all will be fine.

I mean, the WiiU got "The Letter", thats way worse than android standards for " bad games".

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IceClimbers

@skywake The Nvidia Shield console runs on Android and has full AAA games like Crysis 3 running on it. In no way does running Android mean mobile games. They have the option of allowing those games of course. Also, running Android doesn't suggest a handheld. It would suggest an ecosystem as both the handheld and the home console would run Android (Iwata already said they want their hardware to run a common OS, so if one has Android, both will).

Basically, this Nintendo-modified Android OS would be their new platform rather than any piece of proprietary hardware. They'd have a handheld and a home console that run it, but they're just arbitrary pieces of hardware like mobile devices and PCs. They could also release different models of each at different price points and power levels if they so desired.

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skywake

IceClimbers wrote:

The Nvidia Shield console runs on Android and has full AAA games like Crysis 3 running on it. In no way does running Android mean mobile games. They have the option of allowing those games of course.

Crysis 3 is a game built for the 360/PS3 generation. I'm not saying that going Android means just access to phone games, all I'm saying is that it won't resolve their problems with third parties. Particularly with big, new AAA games. If a third party dev wants to put energy into porting something of the 360 gen to Anrdoid? They can probably get it running on things like the Shield and some Google TV products as well as Nintendo's platform. If they were to try Project Cars? Well if Nintendo's next home console is running Android it'd basically be it. And we're back to square one.

IceClimbers wrote:

Also, running Android doesn't suggest a handheld. It would suggest an ecosystem as both the handheld and the home console would run Android (Iwata already said they want their hardware to run a common OS, so if one has Android, both will).

Well sure, that could be it. All I was saying is that as it is now going for Android doesn't help at all for a flagship home console. It's decent for a cheap media box thing that happens to also do some games. But it's not a platform for big, full retail, AAA games. It won't have any immediate benefit. If however they come out with a portable first? Well there's content there already that could be pushed over on day 1. And after maybe a year of people pushing out higher quality Android games including Nintendo themselves? Well then they could come out with a higher end Anrdoid based home console that on day 1 is able to run those games already developed for the portable.

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Faruko

To be fair, depending on the resolution/graphics, Crysis 3 looks way better than anything PS4/XB1 has. The shield console also cost $200 and supports 4K

AND You are assuming that the Tegra X1 chip its the maximum Nintendo would ever manage to achieve in terms of performance, but they could create a custom OS (based on Android) and have the same architecture of the PS4/XB1. In my opinion, having Android means having third party problems resolved, because theres not a single reason not to port something to the NX if its already on Android. Reducing cost of port means also reducing the needs of minimun sales achieve to recover, WHICH is the reason why theres no third party, you pretty much have to do a whole new game for the WiiU (coming from PS4/XB1) and people simply dont buy it.

And i dont get that "Android doesnt help at all for a flagship console", care to explain why ?

Im sure people are underrating Android.

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skywake

Faruko wrote:

To be fair, depending on the resolution/graphics, Crysis 3 looks way better than anything PS4/XB1 has. The shield console also cost $200 and supports 4K

Yeah, but you're not anywhere near playing games at 4K on that thing. It's less powerful than the Wii U and it's nowhere near the PS4 let alone something that can actually play games at 4K. That's the sort of device that as of now is the height of what sort of hardware is running Android ATM. Devs aren't going to build software for Android that requires much more than that unless there is a market for it. If the only market for big, new AAA games on Android is a single device made by Nintendo? How is that any different to the position they face now with the Wii U?

Faruko wrote:

AND You are assuming that the Tegra X1 chip its the maximum Nintendo would ever manage to achieve in terms of performance, but they could create a custom OS (based on Android) and have the same architecture of the PS4/XB1.

But I'm not. All I'm saying is that the advantage of making your platform like other platforms is that it's easier to develop for both. When Sony and MS made their platforms closer to PC? It made it easier for developers to build for PC, XBOne and PS4. If Nintendo goes for Android? Well it makes it easier for developers to make games for devices like the Shield or Android TV and whatever the NX is. And as of now such a move mostly opens them up to games of the previous generation of consoles. It's a pretty decent head start for a portable device to have access to Android software. It's nowhere near as big for a home console.

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Faruko

Didnt Microsoft showed off how easy is to port Android apps/games to Windows/PC and vice versa ?

And to be fair, i believe even Google would look at this with huge eyes as it would be an amazing way to show that Android can be taken seriously when it comes to gaming

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unrandomsam

skywake wrote:

Even if it is true I don't think it's worth reading too much into it. Android can run on pretty much any architecture, because it's basically a specialised version of Linux. And Nintendo's consoles already run a specialised version of Linux. Though if it is based on Android? Well it would be easier for developers to push their apps. I doubt it'd be open to the Google Play store but if Netflix, Youtube, Skype or whatever is basically working before they even think of NX? That'll help get more stuff on the eShop.

That said, if this is true? It probably suggests that it'll be a portable platform. I would have thought for a home console they'd prefer to have more control over the OS. With a portable device it doesn't matter quite as much because you're more concerned about things like battery consumption.

Nintendo's consoles do not run Linux http://www.nintendo.co.jp/support/oss/index.html - Notice how there is nothing under the GPL 2.0 (Only LGPL 2.0 / LGPL 2.1).

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