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kkslider5552000

Maybe someday 3rd parties will realize that an ok at best port done later (and half the time with a better version on other consoles) for games that already aren't part of the usual Nintendo demographic might mean that they don't make money. Let's ignore Nintendo for a second, even all that considered, 3rd parties did a terrible job at getting their games to make money. They failed to make money, so they're failures (and it isn't like they have enough integrity to even pretend to be doing things for the art (at least on the publishing side of things)). I do feel sorry for some of the developers though. Michel Ancel's team with Rayman Legends did more to justify the Wii U's existence than a lot of Nintendo games tbh.

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Syntech

The attitude that 3rd party games are CRAP is not Nintendo Fan exclusive. It's gamers of every kind, just more prevalent on Nintendo consoles because most Nintendo games are a hit.
Take the WiiU for example, even with the small base alot of Nintendo games are chart toppers and the WiiU has the biggest selection of good exclusives.
3rd party won't program for the WiiU because of low base, and yet it took Xbone nearly a year to catch up to the WiiU sales, yet got all if the major 3rd party releases. You could say "well, WiiU was out for a year so that would make the xbones sales 2x the WiiU" true, but the way people were bashing the WiiU sales even 2x wouldn't seem good, and all this time the WiiU got no major 3rd party releases to drive sales but the ps3 and 360 did...
All the WiiU had was year old ports (which played better) and 1st partys that were great, and all Nintendo fans heard from others is how crappy the WiiU is and then the same people turn around and complain of lack of quality titles and bugged rushed games.
Quite easy to see how they would not like Nintendo fans, they say the same things about PC.
In other words "haters gonna hate"

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DualWielding

well it's obvious that anyone who chooses a Wii U as his/her only console does not care about third party games.......

the stereotype is more like people who only buy a Nintendo console are o.k with playing Nintendo first party games and nothing else, People who want to play lots of third party games do not choose a Nintendo console as their only console.... those two premises are, in my opinion, correct...

this applies to Nintendo's home consoles, not Nintendo handhelds who, unlike consoles, do get significant third party support

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rallydefault

@Syntech: "The attitude that 3rd party games are CRAP is not Nintendo Fan exclusive." I, uh...uhm...no.

There are so many third-party games out there, that yea, some are bound to turn out poorly, and because of the nature of journalism, we're bound to hear MORE about the FEW that fall short. But just as many and more turn out to be amazing.

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DefHalan

@DualWielding: It is less about wanting 1 or the other but which is more important to you. I want 3rd Party games but I want Nintendo games more. It doesn't mean I don't want 3rd Party or I am ok with out them, I just prioritize Nintendo more. I still want 3rd Party. I wanted Watch_Dogs so I bought it on Wii U at Launch.

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
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Ryno

kkslider5552000 wrote:

Maybe someday 3rd parties will realize that an ok at best port done later (and half the time with a better version on other consoles)

Syntech wrote:

All the WiiU had was year old ports (which played better) and 1st partys that were great, and all Nintendo fans heard from others is how crappy the WiiU is and then the same people turn around and complain of lack of quality titles and bugged rushed games.

Which is it, are ports better or worse?

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Ryno

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Aromaiden wrote:

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NintendoFan64 wrote:

About that article...
http://www.destructoid.com/experienced-devs-counter-annonymou...
And I'm more than willing to trust the people counter the article who have stated who they are, than someone who wouldn't even give his name, or the name of what game he was working on. Also, why don't you give some examples of the games that were released on Wii U yet weren't as successful as other systems. I'm 100% positive there are some, but I just want to look into them real quick.

Well that's an easy explanation. Why would anyone want to burn bridges with Nintendo by publicly shaming them? Even if you had bad experiences with them, you wouldn't want to be the one to show yourself and lambaste a company. Especially when you work for a publisher or developer that clearly wants to work with Nintendo. Obviously if you're gonna sing praises to a company you develop for, you'd make yourself known. Simple as that. I really wouldn't use that as a barometer of trust.

The issue with an anonymous source is that they can be basically anyone. As any person can say whatever they want on a subject or matter but then refuse to state their own name by saying they want to remain anonymous. Why place any significance on a source, if that source refuses to back up their claim with their name? At that point they lack reliability or authority, so it's usually always best to take them with a big grain of salt.

That's fair enough, but usually in those situations, the people are verified one way or another. Either to the journalists reporting the claims or similar. Grains of salt are necessary, but it's also not the best idea to just disregard it.

Yes, that particular journalist made it all up and we should just listen to those two small, Nintendo loving, indie developers.

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Ryno wrote:

Yes, that particular journalist made it all up and we should just listen to those two small, Nintendo loving, indie developers.

Well here's the thing though. You're putting the reliability of one anonymous source against the reliability of two known and experienced developers. The question is which source is more reliable for information based on what we know about them. Them being "small or indie" has nothing to do with how reliable they are especially when compared to a single unknown source.

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Syntech

@Ryno: most of the time ports are a bad thing, very bad (like console to pc) but the WiiU had ports of year old games that fixed alot of issues from the originals. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, some ports to the WiiU actualy got re released with the updates that were made for the WiiU.

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Ryno

@Syntech: Careful, you are ruining the Nintendo Super Fan's narrative that the 3rd party Wii U games are just lazy ports. Keep that up and people might try to get you banned around here.

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Aromaiden wrote:

Ryno wrote:

Yes, that particular journalist made it all up and we should just listen to those two small, Nintendo loving, indie developers.

Well here's the thing though. You're putting the reliability of one anonymous source against the reliability of two known and experienced developers. The question is which source is more reliable for information based on what we know about them. Them being "small or indie" has nothing to do with their reliability especially when compared to a single unknown source.

What do you expect the 3rd party developer to do, risk his job by identifying himself? There is no risk of losing your job when you are a indie developer praising Nintendo.

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kkslider5552000

Ryno wrote:

kkslider5552000 wrote:

Maybe someday 3rd parties will realize that an ok at best port done later (and half the time with a better version on other consoles)

Syntech wrote:

All the WiiU had was year old ports (which played better) and 1st partys that were great, and all Nintendo fans heard from others is how crappy the WiiU is and then the same people turn around and complain of lack of quality titles and bugged rushed games.

Which is it, are ports better or worse?

1. Those are 2 different people. I don't care what he said, for the record.
2. Not every port is of the exact same quality.

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Ryno

@kkslider5552000: Honestly curious here, which ports do you think were worse on the Wii U compared to the PS360 besides just lacking online multiplayer?

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DefHalan

@Ryno: Batman Arkham Origins, but you are also taking out a lot of the problem. What ports were worse compared to PS4/XB1?

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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NintendoFan64

Ryno wrote:

@Syntech: Careful, you are ruining the Nintendo Super Fan's narrative that the 3rd party Wii U games are just lazy ports. Keep that up and people might try to get you banned around here.

They're not all lazy ports. In fact, there are some pretty dang good 3rd party Wii U games. However, that doesn't change the fact that there are definitely some 3rd party games where the Wii U got the short hand of the stick. Case and point: Watch_Dogs. It wasnt released on Wii U until after everyone else, it didn't get the dlc, and what was that super important thing that they kept Wii U owners waiting six extra months for in order to put it in? A MAP. Oh, but that's not all! There's also off-TV play! I can see why they took so much time to put those very important features in!

Ryno wrote:

What do you expect the 3rd party developer to do, risk his job by identifying himself? There is no risk of losing your job when you are a indie developer praising Nintendo.

What does being an indie developer praising Nintendo have to do with anything!? The point is that I'm more willing to listen to developers who actually say who they are, meaning that I have a way of knowing that they actually programmed for the Wii U, than some anonymous source. Also, what @kkslider5552000 said. Those were two things sid by two different people, and not all ports are of equal quality.
Edit: I realize that I didn't answer your question. Yes, there is a chance that he could've been fired, but the point still stands that I'm more willing to listen to people who give their own name than someone who's anonymous.

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spizzamarozzi

I think the average Nintendo system owner is as much of a gamer as anybody and would buy any third party game if it's good.
Most of the third party games WiiU got, simply weren't as good as Nintendo games. It would be idiotic not to admit that.

It's stupid to blame it on the users, and terribly unfair. Most of WiiU's early line-up was just old ports on old ports. Really? I have never played a Mass Effect in my life, why the hell would I start with the final chapter?!

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spizzamarozzi wrote:

I think the average Nintendo system owner is as much of a gamer as anybody and would buy any third party game if it's good.
Most of the third party games WiiU got, simply weren't as good as Nintendo games. It would be idiotic not to admit that.

It's stupid to blame it on the users, and terribly unfair. Most of WiiU's early line-up was just old ports on old ports. Really? I have never played a Mass Effect in my life, why the hell would I start with the final chapter?!

GIVE THIS MAN A COOKIE.

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Ryno

DefHalan wrote:

@Ryno: Batman Arkham Origins, but you are also taking out a lot of the problem. What ports were worse compared to PS4/XB1?

Thanks, for the example. What port was worse on the Wii U compares to PS4? Assassin's Creed 4?

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Ryno wrote:

Aromaiden wrote:

Ryno wrote:

Yes, that particular journalist made it all up and we should just listen to those two small, Nintendo loving, indie developers.

Well here's the thing though. You're putting the reliability of one anonymous source against the reliability of two known and experienced developers. The question is which source is more reliable for information based on what we know about them. Them being "small or indie" has nothing to do with their reliability especially when compared to a single unknown source.

What do you expect the 3rd party developer to do, risk his job by identifying himself? There is no risk of losing your job when you are a indie developer praising Nintendo.

Allow me to ask you question. How do you know the source was a real third party developer? As he never admitted his identity nor who he worked for. Since he is anonymous, he could be anyone, and could easily be lying as they have are not held accountable for their actions (not to mention it's something that ia commonly done in today's time). We know very little if anything about this source.

So it doesn't change anything. You're still putting up an anonymous source against two known and experienced sources, and claiming it to be more reliable because the others are "small, indie, and Nintendo loving". Even though they are known, experienced, accountable, and by all means are more reliable than that single unknown source who we know nothing about.

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