@Anti-Matter That's a different issue altogether. You don't have a gaming PC. The process of installing a game itself isn't complicated at all. Press two or three buttons, and that's about it.
And by the way, you don't have to care about 4K and all those other bobbins to game on PC
Maybe if third party games did more than generic shooters, generic open world WRPGs, generic car sims, and generic sports games they'd see more sales. These kinds of games don't really sell well to Nintendo fans, yes, there is an audience for them, but for the most part Nintendo fans seem to either don't like the genre or they come off as too bland to be worth a purchase and Nintendo's first party games are just far more unique.
There are some third party games I want, but not a lot. I'm looking forward to Sonic Forces and Starlink: Battle for Atlas, I might also get Skyrim as well. But that's about it.
@Octane
One more thing. PC games that sold in my country purely 99.99 % Pirated copies, Almost on every single little game shops in Indonesia, including my place Surabaya. Only 1 Shop that I found sells Original PC games and only 3 - 5 different titles displayed and until today, those games still Has Not Been Bought yet (Almost Nobody cares for Original games) due to A lot of people in my country still have Pirated things Mindset, a Very Sick Cheapskater Mindset that arousing them Very Seriously.
With condition like this + Only The Sims games that fascinated me, I can depend on handheld or consoles since both of them are still easy to find in my country. So, I don't have to buy 19 Boxes of The Sims 2 PC including the Expansion Packs / 21 Boxes of The Sims 3 PC including the Expansion Packs (Just imagine how much money that I have to spend for such a games like that ). I can find other games that better than The Sims 2 / 3 PC, Let my dream to possess those PC games Gone, I can live without PC games despite I still have very strong memories with The Sims PC games.
But.... The Sims 4 will come to PS4 and it said the game will be Direct Port from PC, Not Watered down version as typical. So, I can try The Sims 4 PS4 just only for 1 Disc.
Cause I'm seeing not a single 3rd party multiplat that broke a million sold. Not a single one. [...] The notion that the small install base justified low sales numbers is nonsense. Sure, one or two sold more pound for pound (Rayman and Sonic Racing) but even those were the exception rather than the rule. And still sold less than the PS3 version which was a last gen system!
As I said, the poor sales of games on Wii U was mostly because of the low install base. Which as a result meant that less third party games appeared on the platform. Thus meaning that Wii U owners didn't have many options outside of the big first party releases. Pointing out that there aren't many million sellers from third parties isn't a counter point it's just what inevitably happens when a console doesn't sell.
And BTW, Sonic Racing and Rayman both released before the PS4/XBOne launched. They were released when people would have still had their "last gen consoles" hooked upto their TVs. Not only that but they both sold better on the Wii U than pretty much any other platform. Sonic All-Stars Racing sold better on 360, Rayman sold better when eventually released on PS4. I'm not sure how either of those two games help your point at all....
This is nothing to get defensive about. It's just an observational fact. Multiply the sales of those Wii U games by 3 or 4 times and compare to sales on other systems. I think you'll find the results disturbing, especially when you consider attach rates are typically much higher, pound for pound, on smaller install bases.
Not really, most of them seem fairly reasonable when you do that. And I'm not getting defensive I'm just stating the facts. Of course there weren't many million sellers on the Wii U from third parties. It wasn't a very popular console. Saying that there was some kind of culture amongst fans against third party games would be ignoring the actual elephant in the room. The Wii U was the worst selling major console since the Dreamcast.
PS4: 62mill consoles, 405mill games -> ~6.5 games/console
XBOne: 30mill consoles, 197mill games -> ~6.5 games/console
Wii U: 14mill consoles, 90 mill games -> ~6.5 games/console
Wii U owners were not buying an unusually low number of games. Fact.
I don't think anyone would argue Wii U owners didn't buy games in general (I mean, look at MK8's sales), but they mainly bought Nintendo games over third party games. Look at the top 20 best selling games for Wii U. 18 of them are published by Nintendo. The other two are Pokken (a Nintendo property) and Minecraft. According to VGChartz, Ubisoft is the third third party game with Zombi U at number 22, the next third party after that is at number 28.
Now, you're right, there wasn't a whole lot to choose from, and third party games were often late, or incomplete, but there's no denying in the fact that the bias for first party games is strongest on Nintendo's consoles. The same is true for the Switch by the way. All five Nintendo-published games are in the top 5. Sony and Microsoft appear far less frequently in the best selling games lists of their respective consoles.
I think the difference is that a lot of people buy Nintendo hardware for Nintendo games, whereas plenty of people also buy PS4s and Xbox Ones for FIFA or GTA. I'd like to see how sales are on the Switch a few years down the line.
@Snaplocket Spread across PS4, PC and Xbox One. The top three best selling games on PS4 all sold more than 10 million copies. And remember, all these numbers are physical only, whereas the 6 million for RE7 is physical + digital. RE7 sold very well, but I wouldn't call it a ''mega huge hit''.
@Anti-Matter What's complicated about installing a game on your PC?
Because it doesn’t always just work right away after you instal it. The game isn’t optimized for your particular system. You have to instal updates, or upgrade components to play in some situations. That would be my take on it from experience in the past.
@Snaplocket Because Nintendo games are limited to a single platform and are dependent on the success of the system. Anyway, GTA V sold more than 80 million copies, that's a mega huge hit IMO. Or something like COD or FIFA, games that sell 20+ million every year. Again not saying 6 million is bad. Not at all. A great success. I just wouldn't call it a "mega huge" hit.
I can only hope good third-party sales continue, and that we may see the Switch continue doing well as time goes by. I've got only about 7 games, 5 third-party, 1 adding to it soon, and I'm not planning on stopping any time soon
I think that the Switch is in a good position. I can see western developers back away if their games do poorly, but at the very least eastern developers will always support the console. Take Koei Tecmo for example. How many games have they announced? KT will never let this console go. The eastern support will only grow as more and more Switches get sold. If it hasn't already then within its first year the Switch will become my favorite console.
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@SKTTR 13 wow, and I wouldn't be too surprised if they weren't done. I am ecstatic that AOT 2 is coming to the Switch. Like I said I don't think KT will ever let this system go.
Good discussion guys. I hope these games do well. I just have reservations about how well they can do depending on what the publishers expectations are.
@Octane
Well it's kinda hard for the Wii U to have a lot of big selling third party games when there weren't many on the system. And of course Nintendo's first party games sell well, they're exclusives. Neither of which go to the point I was making. Because the third party games that did get an even chance on the Wii U sold relatively well considering the low install base.
Games like Bayonetta, Resident Evil Revelations, Sonic & All Stars Racing, Rayman Legends and even games like FIFA, Batman, CoD. Did these games break sales records on the Wii U? No. But relative to the install base the sales of those games wasn't unexpectedly low. Even with CoD it sold 1/20th of the units that sold on 360/PS3 but that was with ~1/25th of the install base.
Was it the type of users of the volume? And was it brand loyalty to Nintendo or a lack of other options? I think it's far more likely to be the latter on both. That's the elephant in the room here, not some kind of "Nintendo fan culture". If the Switch continues to sell well we will see a different story unfold.
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The developers expectations huh? Thats something I hadn't considered. You have things like Bamco who was surprised how well DBZ did so well, and you have companies like Squenix who find 3.4/3.6 million sales of Tomb Raider/Hitman is disappointing (I know different company, game, and console, but still). I hope Bethesda doesn't have ludicrous expectations like 3.5 mill sales.
@Snaplocket For some reason to Capcom 3.5 million copies sold is a flop. Guess they're like the rest of these publishers,wanting their game making GTA numbers.
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