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Majora101

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It's been nearly one decade.

This is officially the longest wait there has ever been between releases for this handheld RPG series since its critically-acclaimed debut in 2001. Two full Smash Bros. development cycles (three if you include Brawl) and three appropriate portable devices like the Nintendo 3DS, New Nintendo 3DS, and the affordable 2DS have all come and gone since Golden Sun: Dark Dawn for Nintendo DS hit store shelves in 2010. In that time, Camelot Software Planning have "transitioned" their priorities from groundbreaking RPGs to mobile app development and full-price Mario sports games with bugs like this at launch:

(No offense to Mario Tennis Aces fans, this bug has been addressed since launch)

Not even an earlier-than-necessary 2018 copyright renewal of the Golden Sun IP for Smash Bros. Ultimate or the Nintendo Switch Online service have offered any respite for this lack of Nintendo's first (and best) handheld RPG on two of their most RPG-friendly handheld consoles, as the service slowly King Zoras its way from two NES games a month to presumably two SNES games a month, which does little towards offering Game Boy Advance or Nintendo DS Golden Sun games on the Switch this millennium.

Fans are all too happy to remind Nintendo customer service of Golden Sun's popularity, with daily tweets, letters and fan artwork as well as online hoaxes made to trend like the "Solar Soothsayer" or the recent "Lunar Nation" Switch hoax, all met with canned responses assuring fans Nintendo is listening. (Re)additions of Isaac as an Assist Trophy, Isaac-themed Mii clothing options, two songs, and several character Spirits to Smash Bros. Ultimate, Nintendo's biggest game of 2018, show that these canned responses aren't necessarily just PR.

Those in the know understand that the time has more than come for this dormant IP, and those unfamiliar with its games are a prime example of why there needs to be a new title in this series — an entire new generation of players have picked up a Nintendo console since 2010, yet the series continues to wait on the bench. Those with grey hair on their chest know that no Nintendo franchise is truly "dead" forever, as Kid Icarus can attest. Not even the financial risk argument holds up when considering less-than-profitable modern software like Super Mario Run are still being maintained. In a time when Mario has his own mobile phone app, Link's latest adventure is open-world, 2018's biggest Nintendo game features King K. Rool, and Nintendo's latest contraption is a piece of cardboard, avoiding risks in product development is not something one could easily ascribe to today's Nintendo. They are taking chances.

Comparable titles like Octopath Traveler show there is a hunger in Nintendo Switch players for unique RPG experiences, and no RPG series delivers what Golden Sun delivers in terms of its Breath Of The Wild-like environmental puzzles and master-class dungeon design, world-building and intriguing cultures, Pokemon-like Djinn collecting, and lush music by Dark Souls composer Motoi Sakuraba. Stop reading this and just look at this GIF of Lemuria, an Atlantis-like, Nintendo Of Japan-like land where time passes slowly and nothing eventful happens:

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It's time for a full Golden Sun experience on a modern Nintendo console, be it a fourth game, a prequel, an HD remastered collection of all three titles, or even just the basic 32mb GBA ROMs made available via the Nintendo Switch Online service. No Assist Trophies, no Isaac wigs in Smash Ultimate's Mii Creator, no Spirits. No other RPG will do.

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Krull

Amen. It’s a crying shame how few original IP Nintendo RPG series there are. And a really good one should not be left to wither on the vine. This would be a great surprise launch for 2019 - hope you’re listening, our friends in Kyoto.

If Camelot can’t be trusted, find a really good third party to team up with, like Zeboyd Games (Cosmic Star Heroine).

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Majora101

Good idea! I'm partial to Grezzo as well, their Zelda remakes on the 3DS and Ever Oasis in particular seem to possess many qualities needed to produce an RPG of the same high caliber as Golden Sun.

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shaneoh wrote:

Majora101 wrote:

It's been nearly one decade.

Pfft, it was 21 years between the last two Kid Icarus games.

21 years too long!

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shaneoh wrote:

Majora101 wrote:

21 years too long!

So they should have released a game right after they released the second one?

Yes.

In all seriousness for the satirically-impaired, it can be argued that one decade is an unjustifiably long and arduous wait for a product with a built-in cult following, never mind two.

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shaneoh

Majora101 wrote:

it can be argued that one decade is an unjustifiably long and arduous wait for a product with a built-in cult following, never mind two.

You just justified it: cult following. It's not large enough to risk another game.

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shaneoh wrote:

Majora101 wrote:

it can be argued that one decade is an unjustifiably long and arduous wait for a product with a built-in cult following, never mind two.

You just justified it: cult following.

You're absolutely right. In a time when vinyl records, entertainment like Arrested Development, and IP like Kid Icarus are pulled from the ether to meet consumer demand, it's naive as a fan and investor in Nintendo stock to suggest a company with a recent track record of giving fans what they want might eventually give its fans something they want. ❄

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shaneoh

Majora101 wrote:

You're absolutely right. In a time when vinyl records, entertainment like Arrested Development, and IP like Kid Icarus are pulled from the ether to meet consumer demand, it's naive as a fan and investor in Nintendo stock to suggest a company with a recent track record of giving fans what they want might eventually give its fans something they want. ❄

It's naive to list the successful revivals without considering the failed ones. Bionic Commando, Boogerman and Turok come to mind. It's up to Nintendo if they want to take the risk with their money, and, so far, Golden Sun hasn't been worth the risk.

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shaneoh wrote:

Majora101 wrote:

You're absolutely right. In a time when vinyl records, entertainment like Arrested Development, and IP like Kid Icarus are pulled from the ether to meet consumer demand, it's naive as a fan and investor in Nintendo stock to suggest a company with a recent track record of giving fans what they want might eventually give its fans something they want. ❄

It's naive to list the successful revivals without considering the failed ones. Bionic Commando, Boogerman and Turok come to mind. It's up to Nintendo if they want to take the risk with their money, and, so far, Golden Sun hasn't been worth the risk.

You must be the life of the party! This is a fair argument, but a little polemic, however, I wouldn't lump Golden Sun in with obscure NES titles from the latter Reagan years or an early 3D shooter from the Nintendo 64 era that was just recently brought to the Nintendo Switch, which is a good thing.

Discussions for and against the financial potential for a Golden Sun sequel have been made on a loop since Golden Sun: Dark Dawn released in 2010, and one can draw a positive sales outlook when reviewing the IP's global performance. It is decidedly a successful IP with a large following that has ballooned exponentially with the passage of time — its main protagonist is now one of if not the most in-demand retro fighter in online fan polls following King K. Rool and Ridley's Smash Bros. debuts. The success and longevity of the series is inarguably tangible. It is a question of when for this IP.

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Harmonie

I thought the first two Golden Sun games were quite a success back in the day. Not only did I play them, but they were the talk of my middle school among the gamers. I'd hardly call them "cult" following games, more that Camelot, for some reason, took forever to release Golden Sun 3, which killed a lot of the hype momentum that the first two had created. And then Dark Dawn wasn't as well-crafted and thus not very liked by many of the Golden Sun fans still around.

The franchise really shouldn't meet its end like that.

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Harmonie wrote:

I thought the first two Golden Sun games were quite a success back in the day. Not only did I play them, but they were the talk of my middle school among the gamers. I'd hardly call them "cult" following games, more that Camelot, for some reason, took forever to release Golden Sun 3, which killed a lot of the hype momentum that the first two had created. And then Dark Dawn wasn't as well-crafted and thus not very liked by many of the Golden Sun fans still around.

The franchise really shouldn't meet its end like that.

Agreed. I remember picking up the first game at the local game store that would eventually become Gamestop (and then a laundromat once the Gamestop moved into the nearby mall, which is now being phased out for a luxury condominium development). We went in looking for nothing in particular and walked out with Golden Sun based on a chance recommendation by the cashier who suggested it was like a new "better Castlevania, it's the biggest RPG right now". Not sure how similar Golden Sun and the Game Boy Advance Castlevanias are, but it was a great recommendation!

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kkslider5552000

Golden Sun was decently popular back in the day but tbh, I don't feel like its really kept that audience. There are less successful games I hear far more about that are at least as old. I'd love it, the first 2 Golden Sun games are some of the best turn based RPGs but it's not something I feel like has enough interest to get a brand new game. There are series Nintendo could be making new games for that have far more interest.

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shaneoh

Majora101 wrote:

You must be the life of the party!

Not really, but you're opening post (which seems to be getting longer each time I visit this thread) tells me we can still be buddies.

Majora101 wrote:

This is a fair argument, but a little polemic, however, I wouldn't lump Golden Sun in with obscure NES titles from the latter Reagan years

For a Nintendo franchise Golden Sun is pretty obscure.

Majora101 wrote:

or an early 3D shooter from the Nintendo 64 era that was just recently brought to the Nintendo Switch, which is a good thing.

Actually I was lumping it in with the revival game (also called Turok), the rerelease of the N64 version is neither here nor there.

Majora101 wrote:

Discussions for and against the financial potential for a Golden Sun sequel have been made on a loop since Golden Sun: Dark Dawn released in 2010, and one can draw a positive sales outlook when reviewing the IP's global performance. It is decidedly a successful IP with a large following that has ballooned exponentially with the passage of time

Considering the series declined in sales since the first installment (neither sequel reaching one million units sold), the dedicated following couldn't be that significant in terms of numbers. I wouldn't consider ballooning an apt description with the decline in sales. The first game was certainly a commercial success, but we can't use that to prop up the rest of the games and justify a revival, particularly as RPGs are fairly costly.

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its main protagonist is now one of if not the most in-demand retro fighter in online fan polls following King K. Rool and Ridley's Smash Bros. debuts.

People want Shrek and Goku as well, that doesn't inspire confidence that a revival would be profitable.

Majora101 wrote:

The success and longevity of the series is inarguably tangible.

Well if I wanted to get into a linguistic debate I'd argue the use of the words "inarguably" and "tangible." We don't have access to costs of production and distribution, as well as exact sales figures, we have no idea how successful the series was, especially as sales numbers declined from the first game.

Majora101 wrote:

It is a question of when for this IP.

The same arguments could be made for Chrono Trigger (more so even), but there are, as yet, no announced plans to revive the series.

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Majora101

We'll have to agree to disagree on this topic and the definitions of 'inarguable', 'tangible', and the correct usage of "you're". Then again, my entire topic is riddled with run-ons, so we're both annoying English majors the world over right now.

shaneoh wrote:

Majora101 wrote:

You must be the life of the party!

Not really, but you're opening post (which seems to be getting longer each time I visit this thread) tells me we can still be buddies.

Of course we can! It's good to disagree once in a while, nothing wrong with that!

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shaneoh

Majora101 wrote:

correct usage of "you're".

A simple mistake to make, particularly as I was going back deleting and editing, and you don't see much in these little windows.

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shaneoh wrote:

Majora101 wrote:

correct usage of "you're".

A simple mistake to make, particularly as I was going back deleting and editing, and you don't see much in these little windows.

Don't worry about it, I make the same mistake all the time.

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Grumblevolcano

I feel that Golden Sun's chance of revival dropped by a large amount at the same time Isaac was confirmed to only be an assist trophy in Smash Ultimate.

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