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WebHead

@Nego: he isn't saying replace but enhance. An optional control for certain things, and dock it to the controller for a second screen.

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Nego

@WebHead: Even so I don't think it's a good idea. Smart devices by different manufacturers don't have a universal plug in method. The only way it would work if the connection was purely wireless and the docking frame would be adjustable for smart devices of all sizes. Plus they would have to also make it work with Windows tablets which could open up the possibility to stream to your PC.

Then again I'd still prefer to have the screen on the controller itself. The fewer devices I need to charge up frequently the better. I imagine using a smart phone or tablet like that drains the battery relatively fast afterall.

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skywake

WebHead wrote:

@VelvetElvis: Yeah perhaps the controller has a built in, slide out smartphone dock.

The problem there is that smartphones don't have a standard placement for their micro-USB ports. Worst still Apple uses a different connector entirely. There's also the issue where there's a huge variety of WiFi spec (important for wirelessly streaming video) and screen resolution, aspect ratio, size and so on. All of this is of course assuming that the end user has a smartphone and is willing to drain its battery for gaming.

If they're going to go this route again I think it's fair to assume that they'll sell a controller with a screen built in. Either as an optional accessory or in the box itself. Who knows, maybe they'll make it compatible with the Wii U GamePad and start selling re-branded versions of them on the shelves.

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WebHead

Special apps, they exist. Nintendo could release a "nx second screen" app for mobile and have it pre installed on nxso they can connect ala remote play and smart glass. I think it makes perfect sense, especially with Japan becoming more mobile by the day and a lot of people have one.

If the controller is gonna have a screen i'm expecting a freeform display, with the controller overall being roughly the size and shape of the wii u gamepad screen.

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Therad

Or they could just port those game that don't need a second screen... and skip those that do. Which of the big sellers really need a second screen? Mario Maker is the most obvious, any more?

It isn't super easy to use a smartphone as a second screen, somehow you need to send a video stream with minimal latency for it to be viable. Smartphones doesn't have video in, so it isn't as easy as it sounds.

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Nego

@WebHead: That doesn't look bad at all but like you said, I would also prefer it with physical X and Y buttons. I wonder why that concept design has two mini-USB ports though.

My prediction is that the controller will have some sort of a screen - were it a freeform one or not. They've seen the use of two screens as a part of gaming ever since the original DS and I doubt that they will be going in other direction now. Take a look at the PS4 controller or the Steam controller: while neither of those have a screen (the Steam controller did have a small screen at least in the beginning) but both of those are equipped with parts that can notice simple touches and swipes - stables for touch screens. The trend is towards atypical controlling. The days of just a d-pad, buttons, and sticks are gone: controllers are getting more different ways of controlling the game. I doubt Nintendo's only gimmick for the controller are the patented scroll wheel shoulder buttons (which I don't think have yet been confirmed officially though). Especially not since they are apparently porting Wii U games for the system. Having only one three would also be bad considering the inevitable DS and 3DS Virtual Console releases for NX.

Someone asked how much would we be prepared to spend on a controller with a freeform screen. Well, how much are people prepared to spend on a DualShock 4? The light facing the TV screen was added only because the VR team told Sony to do it which sounds like a terrible waste of money for the players who don't even want to dive into the VR craze.

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WebHead

@Nego: I would assume that screen size, shape, and number of holes would factor in. My guess would be $20-30 depending on those factors.

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skywake

WebHead wrote:

Special apps, they exist. Nintendo could release a "nx second screen" app for mobile and have it pre installed on nxso they can connect ala remote play and smart glass. I think it makes perfect sense, especially with Japan becoming more mobile by the day and a lot of people have one.

The issue is that there is a huge variation in specs. The Wii U GamePad has a 480p 16:9 display with 5Ghz WiFi (I assume N300). For a phone/tablet? Even that's not guaranteed especially if you include some older devices that people might have. Particularly the wireless spec. The Wii U GamePad uses a single non-shared link between the GamePad and Wii U to do its work. I assume that if you used your phone you'd probably end up using your router to do the work.....

If there isn't a guarantee of a certain level of performance? I'm not sure Nintendo would go for it. People give Nintendo crap for not pushing graphical horsepower hard. But they never skimp on the quality of the experience.

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WebHead

Or perhaps Nintendo sells it's own basic mini tablet separately. Docks to the controller for second screen. It'll be like PS camera but for nx sorta.

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skywake

@WebHead:
Some sort of Nintendo iPad for Games you mean? A sort of, Nintendo Game Pad

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WebHead

@skywake: yeah pretty much honestly. Maybe that could be why there's supposedly no handheld.

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iKhan

Nego wrote:

Even though I prefer physical buttons for the instant feedback pressing them gives you, I don't mind touchscreen buttons on the 3DS or on a smart phone. But I don't get them on a separate controller because if you are playing on a TV, you have to take your eyes off of it just to see where the button is on the controller. Physical buttons do not have this problem as you can easily just feel them with your fingers.

The fan-made concept images @mario_yo posted look alright (the controller does look a bit uncomfortable though) and it makes me hope for a hybrid of both physical and touch screen buttons if Nintendo feels inclined to add in the latter.

This so much. I'm 95% sure the Sharp freeform display is getting put in Nintendo's next handheld. It just doesn't make sense on so many fronts for their console.

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iKhan

Therad wrote:

Or they could just port those game that don't need a second screen... and skip those that do. Which of the big sellers really need a second screen? Mario Maker is the most obvious, any more?

It isn't super easy to use a smartphone as a second screen, somehow you need to send a video stream with minimal latency for it to be viable. Smartphones doesn't have video in, so it isn't as easy as it sounds.

Mario Maker is pretty much the only one I can think of, and even with that, they could allow players to use the 3DS/whatever Nintendo's next handheld is as a second screen.

The thing about the Wii U is that it doesn't really do much that other devices can't do. Assymetric Play and whatever Starfox Zero's control mechanic is are some of the few out there. So for the most part, they can port to have Wii Remote or handheld device compatibility for those games that use motion controls or touch controls.

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VelvetElvis

Glad my spitballing inspired so much discussion — just to clarify, it's only that, and definitely not a prediction. I'm trying to expect the unexpected and reach for some out-there ideas, since we're dealing with Nintendo.

Everyone's made some really salient points on the prospect. The only prediction I'd be wary of is assuming Nintendo is going to remove a secondary screen from the equation in favor of simply porting over altered versions of the Wii U's big hitters. Without a secondary screen — whether it's a free-form display on a controller or handheld, or an ancillary smart device (bespoke or not) — Nintendo loses the ability to redistribute (and re-sell) the entire DS, 3DS and Wii U library, Virtual Console style. I don't think they'll pass up on that opportunity, in any case.

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WebHead

@VelvetElvis: Hence why i now think there's 2 devices: A home console with a pro controller and an "Appad", a cheap minitablet that runs NXOS, does stuff. then can attach to the pro controller and sync to the console, hence 2nd screen.

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skywake

Therad wrote:

Or they could just port those game that don't need a second screen... and skip those that do. Which of the big sellers really need a second screen? Mario Maker is the most obvious, any more?

Of the 20 best selling Wii U games? I reckon about 7 didn't need it at all and 6 definitely needed it. The other 7 are somewhere in the middle. Either they didn't need it but it added a lot to the controls like the Zelda ports or Pikmin. To the other end where it was needed but they could change the game to make it work without it like Splatoon, 3D World and ZombiU.

And the 6 that definitely needed it aren't necessarily the ones people get hyped about. Super Mario Maker and Captain Toad are obviously a big deal. But the other ones are Nintendo Land, Wii Party U, Mario Party and Wii Fit U. Not so much.

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AbsolutSnake

Is it safe to assume the NX won't have a default Gamepad as its controller?

Aonuma said. “We realized that having something on the GamePad and looking back and forth between the TV screen and the GamePad actually disrupts the gameplay, and the concentration that the game player may be experiencing. You have your car’s GPS system on your dash. If you had it down in your lap, you’re going to get into an accident!”

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AbsolutSnake

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@AbsolutSnake I would hope so. It seems that they finally caught on.

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