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VelvetElvis

I do feel as though some form of screen on the controller is likely, simply for backward compatibility and Virtual Console purposes — it'd be hard for Nintendo to sell everyone those DS, 3DS and Wii U games again without two screens.

However, if the final product looks anything like this concept (fake or not), I hope that Nintendo has invented some sort of magic fingerprint-proof technology. Cause that thing's gonna look like a mess real quick.

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McGruber

I sure as **** hope not. But sadly for once I am not getting a "definitely fake" vibe from this. I want buttons. Also I hate the shape and hope if it is a prototype that they just go ahead and make it more of a rectangular shape like a phone.

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GrailUK

As long as they can offer a full gaming experience with some thing like this then I am truly sold on 'new concept'. If they are gonna shovel mini game nonsense on this then I am out.

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MisterPi

One thing is for damn sure, they're gonna have a hell of a hard time trying to explain this to people when/if it's revealed. They can't just do another "You have to try it yourself to know how great it is". First impressions will be extremely important, and showing the entire gaming populace a controller with no physical buttons is not going to go over well. I would suspect Federation Force + Color Splash backlash x 1000.

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Vee_Flames

Are people actually believing this thing? Yikes.
This would be a bad idea. A very bad one. Touchscreens can never replace buttons in any way possible.

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GrailUK

@Vee_Flames: never say never

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Vee_Flames

@GrailUK: Well, it was already confirmed fake, according to this:
http://www.technobuffalo.com/2016/03/18/nintendo-nx-controlle...
And I swear, those sticks are photoshopped, because they might as well be the smallest, flattest, most two-dimensional sticks ever.
Yeah, no. If it was real, very sure Nintendo would scrap it immediately. I do think there'll be a screen on the the NX home console controller, though. Seems like a natural progression from the Wii U.

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iKhan

Vee_Flames wrote:

Seems like a natural progression from the Wii U.

Sure, but I don't think it's a good idea to make a natural progression on a failed console.

The Dreamcast turned the opposite direction from the Saturn. The PS4 turned the opposite direction from the PS3.

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Vee_Flames

@iKhan: I don't know, I don't see how a hit like Splatoon could work on a controller without a screen. Not to mention DS VC games will be made obsolete with the new hardware, assuming the NX has a cross-platform environment.

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iKhan

Vee_Flames wrote:

@iKhan: I don't know, I don't see how a hit like Splatoon could work on a controller without a screen. Not to mention DS VC games will be made obsolete with the new hardware, assuming the NX has a cross-platform environment.

Splatoon has Pro-Controller support. And they could easily sell the Gamepad separately like they did the Wii remote this generation.

I see no reason why a home console must be able to run handheld games. Let the 3DS's successor handle that.

A redditor posted a really helpful analysis of this rumor:
https://www.reddit.com/r/nintendo/comments/4b3v01/an_analysis...

Basically, we do know for sure that Nintendo will be using the Sharp freeform display for something in this system, so chances are there will be a piece of glass cut in a unique form. However, the rumor in question is most certainly fake - likely a sticker of some sort, given the lack of photoshopping evidence.

Edited on by iKhan

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rallydefault

Hang on, am I missing something? Why is everyone talking about "no buttons" when there are, quite clearly, buttons on the thing in the picture?

(And yes - I know this image is photoshopped and very likely fake.)

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Vee_Flames

iKhan wrote:

Splatoon has Pro-Controller support. And they could easily sell the Gamepad separately like they did the Wii remote this generation.

Oh, you mean Battle Dojo? Haha no. Just no. Pro Controller =/= GamePad in Splatoon. They could sell a GamePad seperately, I'll give you that.

I see no reason why a home console must be able to run handheld games. Let the 3DS's successor handle that.

Doesn't mean the next TV console shouldn't be able to run it. If we are talking about a cross-platform environment we should play our games on any system we want. And that includes DS games on the next system.
EDIT: Why aren't the quotes working?

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MisterPi

rallydefault wrote:

Hang on, am I missing something? Why is everyone talking about "no buttons" when there are, quite clearly, buttons on the thing in the picture?

(And yes - I know this image is photoshopped and very likely fake.)

They're touch screen buttons. They don't look raised, so the "it's a clear button" doesn't make sense. It's flat.

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iKhan

Vee_Flames wrote:

iKhan wrote:

Splatoon has Pro-Controller support. And they could easily sell the Gamepad separately like they did the Wii remote this generation.

Oh, you mean Battle Dojo? Haha no. Just no. Pro Controller =/= GamePad in Splatoon. They could sell a GamePad seperately, I'll give you that.

I see no reason why a home console must be able to run handheld games. Let the 3DS's successor handle that.

Doesn't mean the next TV console shouldn't be able to run it. If we are talking about a cross-platform environment we should play our games on any system we want. And that includes DS games on the next system.
EDIT: Why aren't the quotes working?

Cross platform is limited to compatibility. You can't play games made for iPad on an iPhone, or games made for an iPhone on a Mac.

Nintendo should tank the potential of their next console just for compatibility with a touch screen handheld.

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rallydefault

@Operative: Huh. I mean... they kinda look raised to me. But if the internet says otherwise, I guess I'll just go with that lol

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skywake

rallydefault wrote:

@Operative: Huh. I mean... they kinda look raised to me. But if the internet says otherwise, I guess I'll just go with that lol

Well they don't look raised to me and I can't see how they would be from a technical point of view. If they wanted actual buttons there it would be far cheaper to just cut a hole for the button. Maybe have a single LED behind it. Putting a display on the button would be quite a task. Especially for something your thumbs cover....

iKhan wrote:

Vee_Flames wrote:

Seems like a natural progression from the Wii U.

Sure, but I don't think it's a good idea to make a natural progression on a failed console.

The Dreamcast turned the opposite direction from the Saturn. The PS4 turned the opposite direction from the PS3.

I'm not sure if I agree with that. How exactly did they go in the opposite directions? The Saturn was pretty bleeding edge hardware and so was the Dreamcast. The PS3 pushed media playback and a small graphical advantage and so did the PS4. How did they change direction?

Now Nintendo has changed directions quite a few times. They pretty much do it with every new home console especially the more recent ones. But they don't change everything. They emphasised first party content on all of their systems, even the ones that did well were mostly first party boxes. From Wii on they've pushed motion controls in one form or another. So I think it's wrong to assume that the screen on the controller is dead just because the Wii U didn't do Wii numbers.

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iKhan

skywake wrote:

iKhan wrote:

Vee_Flames wrote:

Seems like a natural progression from the Wii U.

Sure, but I don't think it's a good idea to make a natural progression on a failed console.

The Dreamcast turned the opposite direction from the Saturn. The PS4 turned the opposite direction from the PS3.

I'm not sure if I agree with that. How exactly did they go in the opposite directions? The Saturn was pretty bleeding edge hardware and so was the Dreamcast. The PS3 pushed media playback and a small graphical advantage and so did the PS4. How did they change direction?

Now Nintendo has changed directions quite a few times. They pretty much do it with every new home console especially the more recent ones. But they don't change everything. They emphasised first party content on all of their systems, even the ones that did well were mostly first party boxes. From Wii on they've pushed motion controls in one form or another. So I think it's wrong to assume that the screen on the controller is dead just because the Wii U didn't do Wii numbers.

You're right, they weren't completely opposite, but they went opposite in the area that led to failure. The Saturn failed in large part due to a lack of developer support. Sega worked their butts off to fix that in one way or another with the Dreamcast. The PS3 failed due to difficulty to program for and high cost with high loss at MSRP. Sony made the PS4 easy to develop for, a more standard price, and only sold it at a small loss.

Even Nintendo has turned away from a failed console element. Once with the N64, then with the Wii. The GC fixed the N64's media problem, while the Wii attempted to fix the GC's image/market problem.

The Wii U didn't just fail to do Wii numbers. It failed to sell Gamecube numbers and needed Amiibo to prop up profits. So yes, I think Nintendo will go back on what caused the system to struggle. And ultimately, aside from advertising and the 1st party launch lineup, the Wii U's problems boil down to the existence of the screen on the controller.

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rallydefault

@iKhan: Nice post, man. All very true.

@skywake: Well, skylake, if they don't look raised to you, then they must not be raised
In all seriousness, we're debating over whether or not the buttons on a faked, photoshopped image look raised. I think most of us can agree (and have been saying), if there are no physical buttons on the thing, Nintendo is out of their minds, and it is most likely time to abandon ship.

In terms of covering up the gameplay, IF (HUGE IF) Nintendo is choosing to go with another screen controller thing with this new canvas-style image, that's something that is going to have to happen. Whether you are covering up part of the screen with your thumbs for the sticks or with your input buttons. I'm sure that has occurred to them lol but knowing Nintendo, I'm pretty sure that won't rule anything out. I still think it would be a cool experience.

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skywake

@rallydefault:
I think we can both agree that it's a fake so whether it's raised or not is a moot point. I think we can also agree that a controller/portable without buttons is a bad idea. I was just making the point that from a technical standpoint putting part of the screen on the button would be a waste of time.

Now cutting buttons into the screen? That's an interesting idea. One that I'm not sure what the point is but still an interesting idea. One that would also definitely be possible and for not that huge a cost. If Nintendo were to go with this idea that'd be the way I'd assume they'd do it. IF they did it.

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