The only Wii U games that feel like they couldn't be on the 3DS are maybe Splatoon and the upcoming Zelda (and the early 3rd party ports of PS360 games.)
And I do think that this time around, unlike the Wii/DS generation, Nintendo have cannibalized the sales of the Wii U with the 3DS. It was also often frustrating when a cool game (a new Paper Mario for instance) would be announced for the 3DS, and not for the Wii U.
And she points out that it is precisely this problem why Nintendo fans are starting to demand a hybrid of some sort. But, a hybrid is still not likely to fix the problem. It would just end up either being clunky or essentially a portable (with an option to project the image onto the TV.)
It's sad that local co-op has gone out of style. It is what it is. I bemoan how the internet has changed social interaction, even outside of gaming.
But anyway, as far as specs though, I think if the NX is a handheld that is at least powerful enough for HD visuals they would look fine blown up on an HDTV. They won't be as pretty as Wii U games, but at least the games would be TRULY portable. But really, we would just have a really nice portable, and the TV functionality would just be a feature (although a feature I personally would really like. I like to play my games on TV!!!!!!!!!!)
But... we have to think. Where does this leave Nintendo? If they go for a traditional console, then they are going to have to somehow differentiate themselves from Sony and Microsoft, and they're going to have to do more than just release excellent 1st party software.
I guess it could be argued that Nintendo needs to up their game when it comes to creating "home console experiences." A lot of those 2D platformers, while great, are probably not what people are looking for in a home console gaming experience. Games like Metroid Prime, Zelda, Splatoon, and 3D Mario ARE console experiences though. Iwata even said at one point that the Wii U did not have enough for the "active" gamer. Arguably, the games are there now. But is there enough? And part of the problem (like that article mentioned) is that their handheld games are becoming robust enough to match console games (the latest Smash is on the freakin 3DS!!!)
I honestly don't know what Ninty is going to do, unless they come up with something unique like they did with the Wii. I've got faith in them though. Perhaps they could just do a traditional console, but integrate it with their handheld (but make it optional.) Example: extra features, off-screen map, etc if you connect your handheld to your console. They already sorta did this GBA/GC. Then of course there's Amiibo, which could help Nintendo stand apart from its competitors.
As I said, definitely an argument to be had. But I don't think a hybrid device really fills the home console niche at all. If the NX is a "hybrid" I can't see any reasonable way the home console side of it will be more powerful than the Wii U even. So it'll be a portable that you can plug into your TV. And if we got such a device.... we'll still want games on the Wii U and in a couple of years after we'll be asking what the next home console is. It wouldn't fill both spaces.
If however what people are saying when they argue for a hybrid is that Nintendo should get out of the home console business? Then that's something to argue and that's what they should be arguing. But people aren't saying that. People are under the illusion that a portable console can do both.
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Just wanted to pipe in: I have no desire for a hybrid machine. I'd much rather have a dedicated handheld and a dedicated console. I just don't really see the point to having one console that DOES do both, but may do both rather, uh... mediocre, you know? A sacrifice in power is going to have to be made somewhere, most likely on the "home console" side of it, so it would really just cheapen the whole experience.
Just my opinion.
But, then again, it is Nintendo, and who knows what they can spin out of a hybrid. Perhaps they really can do stuff with it that we never thought of.
Here's another way to look at it. The Wii U is a hybrid device effectively and in trying to do both jobs well is sacrificed portability. And personally I think that's a decent sacrifice given most of the time I'm playing my portable games at home anyway. Which apparently isn't unusual given that blog post from before linked to a survey which said this:
"Where do you play portable games?" At home - 94.0%
On the train or other vehicles - 28.8%
When out (no particular location) - 27.5
At school or work - 12.5%
At a cafe or restaurant - 7.8%
At a wifi hotspot - 4.3%
At a shop where portable gamers gather - 3.1%
In a hospital, library or other facility - 3.1%
Other - 2.1%
The problem I have is when people talk about the other kind of hybrid. Because the Wii U "didn't work" clearly they have to go from an entirely different angle with the next device right? So lets sacrifice something else instead! People want a portable Nintendo machine even if they'll rarely use it like that so lets give them portable right? And sacrifice the spec..... what could possibly go wrong?
Or perhaps the hybrid idea isn't a particularly good one. Just in general. And they should instead just focus on getting out more software for each piece of hardware they release.....
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"Don't stir the pot" is a nice way of saying "they're too dumb to reason with"
I think a hybrid system would be very a really compromised option. You'll either end up with a very expensive handheld or an underpowered console.
The best approach would be develop a family of systems with similar architechtures/OSs/APIs, so devs can use the same engines and technologies for the different form factors (consoles and handhelds)
@skywake: "Or perhaps the hybrid idea isn't a particularly good one. Just in general. And they should instead just focus on getting out more software for each piece of hardware they release....."
Here's another way to look at it. The Wii U is a hybrid device effectively and in trying to do both jobs well is sacrificed portability. And personally I think that's a decent sacrifice given most of the time I'm playing my portable games at home anyway. Which apparently isn't unusual given that blog post from before linked to a survey which said this:
"Where do you play portable games?" At home - 94.0%
On the train or other vehicles - 28.8%
When out (no particular location) - 27.5
At school or work - 12.5%
At a cafe or restaurant - 7.8%
At a wifi hotspot - 4.3%
At a shop where portable gamers gather - 3.1%
In a hospital, library or other facility - 3.1%
Other - 2.1%
94% only played at home, while another surprising 89.2% played it elsewhere??
94% only played at home, while another surprising 89.2% played it elsewhere??
I'm quoting directly from the source and it never said only, it asked where do you play your portable games. Obviously some people play their portable games in more than one place. All I was pointing out from that data is that the majority of people with a portable play it at home.
Also the 89% figure you've come up with isn't right. It doesn't work like that. There would be overlap. So we can't tell much about it other than what each line says. That said we can tell from those numbers is that between 11% and 70% only ever play portable games at home. But for the others? None of them can be over 6% "only" that thing. Because 94% said they played portable games at home
I'm glad to see I'm not some weirdo who insists on keeping my handhelds at home. I could never focus on the games if I only played them randomly out in public.
I'm glad to see I'm not some weirdo who insists on keeping my handhelds at home. I could never focus on the games if I only played them randomly out in public.
That's not when I usually play my 3DS (aside from home). It's great when you are a passenger on a long trip, or on a plane.
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94% only played at home, while another surprising 89.2% played it elsewhere??
I'm quoting directly from the source and it never said only, it asked where do you play your portable games. Obviously some people play their portable games in more than one place. All I was pointing out from that data is that the majority of people with a portable play it at home.
Also the 89% figure you've come up with isn't right. It doesn't work like that. There would be overlap. So we can't tell much about it other than what each line says. That said we can tell from those numbers is that between 11% and 70% only ever play portable games at home. But for the others? None of them can be over 6% "only" that thing. Because 94% said they played portable games at home
I didn't see that, so I was surprised. It wouldn't be the first time a one option survey had more than a 100% in results published. Did it also say how many people took it? Because that plays a large part in it's usefulness.
I didn't see that, so I was surprised. It wouldn't be the first time a one option survey had more than a 100% in results published. Did it also say how many people took it? Because that plays a large part in it's usefulness.
As I said, it was from the article that was being talked about just before my post:
So read into it what you want, but I think it's pretty clear that most people who own portables play them at home. All I said was that I do the vast majority of the time and that it's backed up by that data. Which is why I thought the Wii U GamePad approach was a good one. Sacrificing some of the "portability" of portables so you can get more power. I'm far less convinced of doing it the other way around, killing the power of a home console to make it portable.
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Mobile phones have eaten the market for portability. A smartphone can do everything a dedicated portable can do and much more. Unless nx is an android phone, they will have a hard time convincing people they need a complement to their smartphones.
When did you last see anyone using a 3ds outside of their home?
Also that survey is from 2010. A lot more has happened since then.
Mobile phones have eaten the market for portability. A smartphone can do everything a dedicated portable can do and much more. Unless nx is an android phone, they will have a hard time convincing people they need a complement to their smartphones. When did you last see anyone using a 3ds outside of their home? Also that survey is from 2010. A lot more has happened since then.
I'd argue that pretty much nothing has changed in terms of the portable gaming landscape since 2010. I mean sure mobile has gained a bigger share of the market but mobile did exist in 2010. The iPad launched in 2010 and the 3DS launched in early 2011. So really the landscape is about the same as it was in 2010.
Also the survey wasn't about mobile at all. It asked where do people who own a portable system play games on it. And the vast majority responded by saying they play it at home, far more than those who said they play it out and about. So when you ask when was the last time we saw someone playing a 3DS outside of their home? .... well sure, that was kinda my point. What are you trying to say here?
Mobile phones have eaten the market for portability. A smartphone can do everything a dedicated portable can do and much more. Unless nx is an android phone, they will have a hard time convincing people they need a complement to their smartphones.
When did you last see anyone using a 3ds outside of their home?
Also that survey is from 2010. A lot more has happened since then.
See, I don't buy that. I think there's been enough of a backlash against mobile games that the segment of people who typically have bought GameBoy/DS really hasn't shrunk that much.
Sure, people who were NEVER "gamers" in any sense of the word may always be around to pick up CandyCrush on a smartphone instead of buying a 3DS or whatever, but they were never going to buy a 3DS anyway, with or without the advent of smartphones, you know what I'm saying? I don't think there are too many gamers out there saying to themselves, "Well, I COULD get a 3DS and play Bravely Default and Fire Emblem...but I'm fine settling for All the Bravest on my iPhone."
Basically, I just don't think as much has changed as people try to say it has.
And even "back in the day" I rarely saw people bringing GameBoys out of their homes. But in the last decade, I've lived in New York City, another large city in New England, and now back to my small hometown: and I actually have seen people carrying 3DS with them in ALL of those places. I would even say MORE than how often I saw people carrying GameBoys around back in the 90s.
My point is that I don't think an hybrid is feasable at all and that the portability of a console is less and less important as a buying decision. I am saying that portable gaming has much more competition than it has ever had. An iPad in 2010 was also really expensive. Today, the price on both phones and tablets has gone down a lot. I can buy almost 2 tablets for the price of one 2ds. Which definitly undercuts the important children demographic.
I also always have my phone with me. If i want to kill some time, I use it instead of lumbering around with a second device.
Talking about "gamers" & "casuals" are not good arguments. Everyone games nowadays. It is just idiotic elitism. The same thing xbox and ps4 users have been using against nintendo fans. And pc users are using against console users. It is not constructive.
@Therad: The price of iPads have stayed flat since they launched. You can get old ones for less now second hand or refurbished but new they're the same price they've always been. And sure you can get a low end Android tablet for cheap, sometimes under $100AU, but that has also pretty much always been the case. And the same is true for portable systems anyway. You can buy previous generation handhelds, cheaper SKUs and refurbished models. So it's a moot point.
Face it, things haven't really changed that much since 2010. It's just a continuation of the same trends that were happening back then. All we're saying here is that dedicated portable systems will always have a place in the market. And it's not some kind of "idiotic elitism" it's just a statement about the limitations of phones and tablets. They will never be able to run games in the same way that a dedicated gaming portable will. For sure, we all carry them around with us. But not for gaming. And I for one don't want to drain my phone battery playing a game that would be better played at home on a dedicated gaming device.
Lastly, I agree with you that the portability of portable gaming devices is less of an issue than it once was. That was my entire point. What I'm saying is that if Nintendo is going to go with only one device? I like the Wii U approach, a device that's a decent home console experience with a semi-portable gaming device attached to it. I don't want something that's far less powerful than a home console can be just so it can be "truly portable". But I personally hope they keep both. Because phones and tablets don't come close to replacing a portable gaming system.
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