Yes being on different (modern) system should be irrelevant as long as the developer wants then to be able to communicate.
Game freak should have no problems getting a game mode working between 3DS and Switch. The hardware is really a non-issue.
The one issue is... They have shown in the past they couldn't care less about that kind of thing (example, going from XY to ORAS, they could've easily patched xy to make it 100 compatible, but didn't for no reason). Why? Because they'd rather have you buy the most recent version, and making the last one obsolete is the best way to do that.
But anyway, just letting you all know that bolt_strike is prone to unending, back and forth debates. So proceed with caution.
But there are possibly other influencing factors. If Pokemon Stars on Switch sells, say, 2 million users who may be on the fence or waiting to buy a couple of years from now on the idea of buying a Switch today then that's 2 million users invested in the future of Nintendo rather than the past.
Those 2 million sales could be worth far more to Nintendo going forwards than a much bigger number of sales on the 3DS.
Except those 2 million people are just going to buy 8th gen anyway, so that really doesn't help them. There's really not much of a market for Stars on the Switch, for the most part the only people buying Stars would be diehard fans that got SM and want to play it again. Beyond that, there's really not much. The remainder of SM's userbase either doesn't want the same thing over again or doesn't want to get a Switch to play it. The Wii U userbase that didn't have a 3DS is probably going to want something closer to BotW/Mario Odyssey, so a straight port of a handheld game isn't going to interest them. And there probably aren't a lot of Switch gamers that didn't have a 3DS or Wii U right now. So who are they selling Stars to to justify having an early Switch game? 8th gen is inevitably going to kill Stars in sales and it's cheaper and more profitable to put a game like Stars on the 3DS, so what's the point? Stars is just going to preach to the choir, not draw in a new audience.
Uh, OK. Hm, I wonder why a thread about the games we wouldn't like to see was derailed to some (rather meh-ey) discussion about Pokemon. Note: extreme levels of sarcasm detected.
Anyway, if I'm being honest, I don't want to see games that cause uproars and such upon their reveals or release. But hey, this is the internet... what do I know?
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Except those 2 million people are just going to buy 8th gen anyway, so that really doesn't help them.
It really does help them. When people buy a console matters immensely. If someone buys a console 12 months later then they're likely to buy fewer games overall and, of the games they do buy, more will be at budget prices.
Having a bigger install base sooner is also incredibly important for selling the system to 3rd parties and setting budgets for 1st party games going forwards. In short if you want big ambitious games from Nintendo and 3rd parties then you need to maximise consumer buy-in as soon as possible.
Getting the most mainstream and biggest selling JRPG series on Switch sooner rather than later also makes sense. A diehard Pokemon player is more likely to buy, say, SMT, XC2 or DQXI than the average person - increasing the chance for those games to be successful. So if you're Nintendo then you want those players to buy Switch now if you possibly can.
There's really not much of a market for Stars on the Switch, for the most part the only people buying Stars would be diehard fans that got SM and want to play it again. Beyond that, there's really not much. The remainder of SM's userbase either doesn't want the same thing over again or doesn't want to get a Switch to play it. The Wii U userbase that didn't have a 3DS is probably going to want something closer to BotW/Mario Odyssey, so a straight port of a handheld game isn't going to interest them. And there probably aren't a lot of Switch gamers that didn't have a 3DS or Wii U right now. So who are they selling Stars to to justify having an early Switch game? 8th gen is inevitably going to kill Stars in sales and it's cheaper and more profitable to put a game like Stars on the 3DS, so what's the point? Stars is just going to preach to the choir, not draw in a new audience.
I think you're overstating things. There are plenty of Switch owners who don't own a 3DS. There are plenty of Switch owners who don't own a 3DS or a Wii U who may have a Pokemon itch from their childhood that they've not scratched for a long time.
It really does help them. When people buy a console matters immensely. If someone buys a console 12 months later then they're likely to buy fewer games overall and, of the games they do buy, more will be at budget prices.
Having a bigger install base sooner is also incredibly important for selling the system to 3rd parties and setting budgets for 1st party games going forwards. In short if you want big ambitious games from Nintendo and 3rd parties then you need to maximise consumer buy-in as soon as possible.
Getting the most mainstream and biggest selling JRPG series on Switch sooner rather than later also makes sense. A diehard Pokemon player is more likely to buy, say, SMT, XC2 or DQXI than the average person - increasing the chance for those games to be successful. So if you're Nintendo then you want those players to buy Switch now if you possibly can.
Stars isn't going to sell enough to provide that kind of sales bump. Third versions tend to sell in the 6-8 million range, and of those at least half will probably either already have a Switch or be buying one for other games. Now if they had done this with SM, having a completely new generation start out on the Switch instead of blowing it in 2016? Then people would go crazy for a Switch to play a game like that, but now that they've already made their decision to put a 7th gen game on the 3DS, they blew their opportunity for Pokemon to help the Switch early. The fact that they decided to start a new generation a year before the Switch released and when they still had the opportunity to give XY a third version/sequel speaks volumes about how little they care about capitalizing on the Switch, if they really wanted that they wouldn't have put the series in a situation where it would have to transition mid gen to be there early in the first place. Combine that, Nintendo's insistence on keeping the 3DS around for the time being, and Game Freak traditionally being a late adopter to new hardware, and it's pretty clear that Game Freak has no interest in releasing a Switch game anytime soon.
I think you're overstating things. There are plenty of Switch owners who don't own a 3DS. There are plenty of Switch owners who don't own a 3DS or a Wii U who may have a Pokemon itch from their childhood that they've not scratched for a long time.
Highly unlikely. Nintendo's install base has been shrinking for generations (with the exception of Wii and DS) and the console doesn't really offer much to outside markets yet. You're going to need to do more than just offer Nintendo games to really draw in a new audience, short of every one of Nintendo's games radically changing like BotW re-releasing the same kind of games isn't going to draw in a new audience, they're going to be more interested in hardware improvments, multimedia apps, third party games, and new IPs that fill completely new needs. Nintendo doesn't yet have the kind of games that appeal to the Microsoft/Sony audience (who are going to be interested in realistic FPS and open world games), multimedia apps that would draw casuals in, or the kind of new hardware and software that would attract a blue ocean. Everything they've done so far would only really appeal to the same audience that bought 3DS and Wii U, and Stars sure as hell isn't the game that's going to change that.
There are plenty of Switch owners who don't own a 3DS. There are plenty of Switch owners who don't own a 3DS or a Wii U who may have a Pokemon itch from their childhood that they've not scratched for a long time.
Definitely true. I think there's a tendency amongst some to think of markets as kind of static things. They aren't. There are all different kinds of consumers. For one reason or another there will be people who own a Switch by year end who will not be interested in 3DS games. Either because they never had a 3DS, they've sold or or they just don't really want to play games at 240p anymore.
Just because Sun/Moon sold well on 3DS doesn't mean that those consumers will buy a revision on 3DS. And just because the 3DS will have still sold more than the Switch by years end doesn't mean that all Switch owners will have and still be actively using a 3DS.
I would personally love to see Pokemon Stars. I no longer have a 3DS so I never got pokemon sun or moon so seeing an awesome HD third version on the switch would be pretty sweet. I also think a lot of people would buy pokemon stars. People have been begging for a HD pokemon games for years so I certainly think it would sell. And regarding the subject of the topic, I would be fine with any game as long as they're actually optimized for the switch and that the switch gets the same deal (dlc and etc) as the other consoles do.
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@Bolt_Strike We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one then. I think if Stars is the first full Pokemon game for a home console and the first full Pokemon game in HD then it'll move the needle in terms of Switch sales significantly. If it comes this winter then I'd say Nintendo's investor figures of 10 million units this financial year are on the low side.
You're right about GameFreak being a traditionally late adopter of new technology though so I'm not 100% convinced that (the hypothetical at this point) Stars is actually going to arrive on Switch. I just personally think it should.
@skywake makes a good point too - with some 3DS owners now playing on Switch and some of those no longer wanting to go back to carrying their 3DS around that's a lot of Pokemon players who would desperately welcome having Pokemon on their current format of choice.
Although I owned a GB / GBA and DS I've never really been much of a handheld gamer.I've never played a Pokemon game either but if Stars came to Switch I would certainly buy it.I get to see what all the fuss is about and play it on my TV.I'm sure there are many more out there like me.
This might sound controversial but it is more a concern I have for the franchise. I would not want to see Phoenix Wright on the Switch. Here is why why.
For the record, I just found my love for the series from playing Professor Layton v Phoenix Wright and I can not wait to play the original games once I am done. But what dawned on me is how touchscreen reliant these games are.
Of course, the Switch does indeed have touchscreen support but imagine how clunky that could make investigations and court trials. It could make you accidentally press the wrong option and damage your case. Also, having your fingers on the screen will prevent you seeing what you are doing.
I do know originally they were released on the Game Boy Advance and that was great. But when they went to touchscreen that was when the series really hit the sweet spot. Going back would feel like a massive fall on their face.
So no, I would not want Phoenix Wright on the Switch. But only in its current state. If they can fix that concern I mentioned and make it feel right for the Switch, I will welcome Phoenix with open arms
Don't see any issues with Phoenix Wright being a touchscreen-only game on the Switch - Voez has already shown that the market exists. As someone who has only ever played Phoenix Wright games on a phone, I can say they work brilliantly in that single-screen touch format. In fact, Capcom could probably port those phone versions tomorrow to the Switch, and they would be perfect with the bigger screen. I'm in!
Games I don't want to see:
-Any game based solely around amiibos (AC: Amiibo festival etc)
-Paper Mario based on the sticker/paint mechanics
-Ports of Wii U Games (except maybe the Bayonetta collection)
-Captain Toad 2 (Unless it is a 15-20$ eshop game like it should have been for the first one)
-Any attempt at Wii Fit or Wii sports
-Mario & Sonic
-Super Mario Bros in the same graphical style (it's time to reinvigorate this series if there is another on the way)
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The funny thing is that most of that list is stuff I'd want to see. Paper Mario, Wii U games, Captain Toad, a Wii Sports style release, 2D Mario (Mario Maker!).
Then there's Mario & Sonic, easy money maker and frankly more interesting than the Olympics tie in games that existed before it. I think I stand by what I said at the start of this thread. There's nothing I don't want to see.
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Definitely don't want to see a Paper Mario in the vein of Sticker Star/Color Splash. I really wish they would bring Paper Mario back to its roots and make them like The Thousand Year Door.
@Grandpa_Pixel I love the mechanics, animated cutscenes, and breakdown from Spirit of justice so I will welcome ace attorney with open arms on the Switch.
No Metroid Prime. I hated Prime so much myself. I'm cool with Metroid but 2D or 3rd person.
People say Pokemon has never been revealed at E3 but at the same time never does not mean ever meaning it is possible GF do it. Maybe not this year and maybe not next year but soon.
Also a follow up to Wii's FFCCCR would make me cry tears of joy.
-Any game based solely around amiibos (AC: Amiibo festival etc)
I will agree with this.
What about that Mario vs DK Amiibo game? I didn't see anything wrong with that. And while I may not like it Skylanders doesn't seem like that bad of a franchise. I honestly can't see anything wrong with a game that's built around Amiibo if it's done well.
Really, for everything someone is lists here there's some decent counter argument. With one exception. When people say that they don't want games that are bad? That's hard to argue against..... but then, what you or I think is "bad" others might actually like. And we're back square one.
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