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Bigj0110

I am still going to purchase the console. But it's a huge let down of my expectations, of what the console is and what it could have been!

The reason I say that is because I remember, when I 1st herd about the Switch. Nintendo said(or at least the rumors), that they wanted to cater to serious and hardcore gamers, and have the console be able to compete with the specs and power of the PS4 and Xbox One. But to me, the switch just seems like the Wii U on steroids, and it's nothing special. So at that event when they announced the console, and the features, it was a letdown for me.

In my opinion, I feel like Nintendo is still clinging on to the success of the past! Instead worrying about the present, and future of gaming. When I first heard about the console under the codename NX, honestly I thought it would have been a mixed use console. By that I mean, it would cater the kids, old school, and hard core Nintendo fans, but at the same time cater to the serious and hardcore gamers.

With that being said, their console is coming out before the next PS4 and the Xbox Scorpio(witch Microsoft said themselves that the Scorpio is supporting native 4K gaming & there's rumors that Sony is supporting 4K as well). So with that being said, for starters they could've at least have all the games be Native 1080P at minimum(because supposedly even some of their best titles that are supposed to lunch are coming in at 900P). So if they wanted to target serious and hardcore gamers, this would be a good way to start! Also, if they have wanted to, they could've taken advantage of their release date, and have gotten a head start and ahead of the pack(Microsoft & Sony), by releasing the console with native 4K gaming(at least when on the dock, on the TV).

Plus not to mention the consoles launch date title lineup is also a bit weak! Other than Zelda, I don't think there is any other game worth purchasing at the time! Then we're going to have to wait about a month for the next best game(in my opinion) Mario Kart 8(which I don't understand why everybody's making a big deal over a ported game). Plus if Nintendo wanted to cater to the serious and hardcore gamers(and maybe compete with the other consoles on the market), this would have been the perfect opportunity to do so. By maybe creating a Switch exclusive game that caters to the serious and hardcore gamers. To release on launch day alongside Zelda. Don't get me wrong, I do like Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, and all those Nintendo exclusive characters and games! But at the same time, I was expecting games for serious gamers as well. Along the lines of Battlefield, GTA V, & Madden etc(those games exactly, or new games made, that cater to that serious and hardcore gamers and are not "Nintendo ish"). Because that's how they were making the console seem at first(at least to me). That they were catering to serious and hardcore gamers, but at the sane time to the kids, old school, hardcore Nintendo gamers.

So, overall to me, this is just an outdated nostalgia box just with much newer hardware than the Wii U, but with still slightly outdated hardware because who only puts 32GB into console?! I mean the Xbox One and PS4 are older than the Nintendo Switch, and it comes with a minimum of 500GB. So I still feel like they're clinging on to the success of the past. With their highly successful exclusive characters and games, that they're just recycling! Plus I feel like they're also recycling their consoles(Wii and Wii U), and just making a few upgrades and rebranding it under a different name

But in all honesty, I thought that this time around, Nintendo was going to get it right! And was really going to produce a jaw dropping console! But they managed to kind of fail me this time around(in my opinion, at least to me).

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Bigj0110 wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I do like Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, and all those Nintendo exclusive characters and games! But at the same time, I was expecting games for serious gamers as well. Along the lines of Battlefield, GTA V, & Madden etc(those games exactly, or new games made, that cater to that serious and hardcore gamers and are not "Nintendo ish").

Mario, Zelda and Donkey Kong are for gamers, serious or otherwise.

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Do I think it's going to be a let down?

Short answer ; No

Long answer ; No I do not.

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Damnit, you deleted the old thread! You know, for future reference, you can edit titles....unless that's all you did, but I didn't get redirected correctly....either way, I'll just write the short version:

I personally believe the key to avoiding being let down is to keep your expectations in check. I know I'm not expecting it to directly outperform its competitors, or have a comparable library of games. All I want is a steady release of games - no more droughts, Nintendo! Its not fair that we had to go 2, 3, I wanna say even 4 months between notable releases sometimes on the Wii U (And then we'd get a sudden deluge around the holidays, so then I wind up having to put stuff off until I can get it used 10 months later, anyways). If they can keep that in check, that's all I'd need to be happy with it. I'm already happy with the Wii U library, once I got caught up with it. Even the Wii library was pretty good, once you sorted out the Wheat from the chaff using the cotton gin that is the Internet. It was just the wait that made it seem worse than it was.

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Bigj0110

shaneoh wrote:

Bigj0110 wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I do like Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, and all those Nintendo exclusive characters and games! But at the same time, I was expecting games for serious gamers as well. Along the lines of Battlefield, GTA V, & Madden etc(those games exactly, or new games made, that cater to that serious and hardcore gamers and are not "Nintendo ish").

Mario, Zelda and Donkey Kong are for gamers, serious or otherwise.

I mean I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying! But a lot of young gamers(that I know personally), have no interest in Nintendo games. Most of them I know care about and is playing games like GTA, Halo, Call of Duty/Zombies, FIFA etc.

I mean nowadays, at least from what I'm seeing. Yes those games you mention that I said are for hardcore gamers. But I feel like only people that grew up playing these games on older consoles like Nintendo, Super Nintendo, Gameboy etc, understands and appreciate that!

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Bigj0110 wrote:

I mean I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying! But a lot of young gamers(that I know personally), have no interest in Nintendo games. Most of them I know care about and is playing playing games like GTA, Halo, Call of Duty/Zombies, FIFA etc.

Let's be real: those people wouldn't be purchasing a Nintendo console anyway.

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CanisWolfred wrote:

Damnit, you deleted the old thread! You know, for future reference, you can edit titles....unless that's all you did, but I didn't get redirected correctly....either way, I'll just write the short version:

I personally believe the key to avoiding being let down is to keep your expectations in check. I know I'm not expecting it to directly outperform its competitors, or have a comparable library of games. All I want is a steady release of games - no more droughts, Nintendo! Its not fair that we had to go 2, 3, I wanna say even 4 months between notable releases sometimes on the Wii U (And then we'd get a sudden deluge around the holidays, so then I wind up having to put stuff off until I can get it used 10 months later, anyways). If they can keep that in check, that's all I'd need to be happy with it. I'm already happy with the Wii U library, once I got caught up with it. Even the Wii library was pretty good, once you sorted out the Wheat from the chaff using the cotton gin that is the Internet. It was just the wait that made it seem worse than it was.

I apologize! But what happened was I prematurely submitted the post by accident! Also, I had a lot of spelling errors and punctuation problems. Plus I wasn't finished typing what I wanted to say! So I thought it would be best if I completely deleted it and started all over! Sorry for the inconvenience!

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Ralizah wrote:

Bigj0110 wrote:

I mean I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying! But a lot of young gamers(that I know personally), have no interest in Nintendo games. Most of them I know care about and is playing playing games like GTA, Halo, Call of Duty/Zombies, FIFA etc.

Let's be real: those people wouldn't be purchasing a Nintendo console anyway.

@Ralizah lol I agree probably not!

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CanisWolfred wrote:

Damnit, you deleted the old thread! You know, for future reference, you can edit titles....unless that's all you did, but I didn't get redirected correctly....either way, I'll just write the short version:

I personally believe the key to avoiding being let down is to keep your expectations in check. I know I'm not expecting it to directly outperform its competitors, or have a comparable library of games. All I want is a steady release of games - no more droughts, Nintendo! Its not fair that we had to go 2, 3, I wanna say even 4 months between notable releases sometimes on the Wii U (And then we'd get a sudden deluge around the holidays, so then I wind up having to put stuff off until I can get it used 10 months later, anyways). If they can keep that in check, that's all I'd need to be happy with it. I'm already happy with the Wii U library, once I got caught up with it. Even the Wii library was pretty good, once you sorted out the Wheat from the chaff using the cotton gin that is the Internet. It was just the wait that made it seem worse than it was.

Also, the reason I feel like it was going to directly compete with Microsoft and Sony, is because I remember when they first started talking about the console under the codename NX. They kept saying how they wanted to make this a very powerful console and wanted to compete with the PS4 and Xbox One. So that just led me to believe they wanted to make a console that was going to be very powerful to capture that hardcore gamers, and the Nintendo and hardcore Nintendo gamers.

Also, regardless of directly competing with other consoles, and if my memory serves me correct. They wanted to make it a next generation console(one generation after PS4 and Xbox One). So if that's the case then why are they only using 32GB internal memory, and taking it back a generation or 2(sarcastically speaking), by having to use some sort of external memory card that you have to buy it separately and reminding me of the PS2 and GameCube days by doing so. I mean a console that is 4 years old, has more memory and is more up to date. Also without directly competing, if this is a brand new console coming out, why not make it mandatory to have the minimum requirements of native 1080P. Especially in this day and age were 4K is slowly becoming mainstream(because I read somewhere that 900P is going to be used in a lot of games including a lot of big games coming out for the Switch). I mean to me instead of taking steps forward, they took steps backwards in technology. Because I would think they would want longevity in this console and if they use older outdated technology it's going to get old and outdated really quick. Especially having 32GB internal memory. Are we in 2006 again?(sarcastically speaking)

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skywake

Bigj0110 wrote:

I mean I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying! But a lot of young gamers(that I know personally), have no interest in Nintendo games. Most of them I know care about and is playing games like GTA, Halo, Call of Duty/Zombies, FIFA etc.

I mean nowadays, at least from what I'm seeing. Yes those games you mention that I said are for hardcore gamers. But I feel like only people that grew up playing these games on older consoles like Nintendo, Super Nintendo, Gameboy etc, understands and appreciate that!

That's nothing to do with the audience and it's not even about brands or IP. What you're talking about is a result of what publishers think the audience wants. And they think the audience wants realistic, gritty and brown games. Specifically games like Call of Duty, GTA, Battlefield, The Witcher and so on. But the audience is more diverse than that, both new and older games.

Case and point games like Overwatch being successful. Those games don't try to be serious or gritty and realistic. They use colourful visuals, diverse character design and put gameplay first. It's not unlike what Nintendo has done with Smash Bros, Mario Kart or Splatoon. There is an audience for that style of game.

Publishers focus group test and find out that people want more games like CoD or GTA. That's what we get. That doesn't mean that other kinds of content can't do well.

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Excuse my pointless reply above.I'm just tired of reading about these "serious" and "hardcore" gamers who play COD,BF,Halo etc as if they are a step above me.I've been playing games since the turn of the 80's.All my mates used to come round my house as I always had the latest games and the cool consoles and add ons.It was the Gamecube era where that changed.i bought my Cube soon after it came out but it never got much play time till a few years later due to me travelling and working in various countries.When I finally got settled down with a job I brought my Cube over and caught up on what i'd missed.But I knew by then then 360 was out and Nintendo had a new machine on the way.All my mates were playing 360 and on at me to buy one but it just wasn't appealing to me.I went with Wii instead and while initially frustrated at it's weak graphics,I grew to love that machine and very likely got as many hours of enjoyment out of it as any of my "serious" gamer mates did with their 360's. Same goes for my Wii U,I've put over 1000 hours into Splatoon,more than half that into MK8 and a little bit less with Smash.if that's not hardcore I don't know what is.

When I was back home visting 3 months ago,I was at my mates watching football and a there was a few guys there I hadn't seen in years.They got on the subject of gaming,COD and BF unsurprisingly. They asked me what I'm into and I proudly said "I've got a Wii U" there was a few seconds of awkward silence then the convo moves right back to COD again.These are all guys well into their 30's,supposedly ''serious'' gamers but I bet if I was to test their actual knowledge on gaming across the board I'd embarrass them.

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Bigj0110

skywake wrote:

Bigj0110 wrote:

I mean I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying! But a lot of young gamers(that I know personally), have no interest in Nintendo games. Most of them I know care about and is playing games like GTA, Halo, Call of Duty/Zombies, FIFA etc.

I mean nowadays, at least from what I'm seeing. Yes those games you mention that I said are for hardcore gamers. But I feel like only people that grew up playing these games on older consoles like Nintendo, Super Nintendo, Gameboy etc, understands and appreciate that!

That's nothing to do with the audience and it's not even about brands or IP. What you're talking about is a result of what publishers think the audience wants. And they think the audience wants realistic, gritty and brown games. Specifically games like Call of Duty, GTA, Battlefield, The Witcher and so on. But the audience is more diverse than that, both new and older games.

Case and point games like Overwatch being successful. Those games don't try to be serious or gritty and realistic. They use colourful visuals, diverse character design and put gameplay first. It's not unlike what Nintendo has done with Smash Bros, Mario Kart or Splatoon. There is an audience for that style of game.

Publishers focus group test and find out that people want more games like CoD or GTA. That's what we get. That doesn't mean that other kinds of content can't do well.

And I completely agree with you! I just feel like the console and its library of games could have been a more diverse. What I mean by that is have games like Mario Kart, Splatoon, Smash Brothers etc come out for the console. But at the same time have more realistic, gritty games, like GTA or Call of Duty come out of the console.

This is one of the things I meant, when I heard they wanted to compete with Microsoft and Sony(rumor or not)

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OorWullie wrote:

Excuse my pointless reply above.I'm just tired of reading about these "serious" and "hardcore" gamers who play COD,BF,Halo etc as if they are a step above me.I've been playing games since the turn of the 80's.All my mates used to come round my house as I always had the latest games and the cool consoles and add ons.It was the Gamecube era where that changed.i bought my Cube soon after it came out but it never got much play time till a few years later due to me travelling and working in various countries.When I finally got settled down with a job I brought my Cube over and caught up on what i'd missed.But I knew by then then 360 was out and Nintendo had a new machine on the way.All my mates were playing 360 and on at me to buy one but it just wasn't appealing to me.I went with Wii instead and while initially frustrated at it's weak graphics,I grew to love that machine and very likely got as many hours of enjoyment out of it as any of my "serious" gamer mates did with their 360's. Same goes for my Wii U,I've put over 1000 hours into Splatoon,more than half that into MK8 and a little bit less with Smash.if that's not hardcore I don't know what is.

Don't get me wrong! I'm not here to judge anybody, if they're hardcore gamers or not! All I'm saying is people that I know consider Nintendo to be a weaker system! Do I consider that no! Do I love Nintendo, it's consoles and games yes! I just had higher and different expectations, because of what I first heard about the console under the codename NX, when information 1st started coming out about the console.

All I'm saying again is a lot of people consider Nintendo consoles to be weaker. Also people that I know at least consider games that are realistic, and gritty looking etc to be considered hardcore games. They consider Nintendo more for kids or old school gamers.

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OorWullie

@Bigj0110 Nintendo has always had that image,even when they were in their prime and among the most powerful.Before the 64 Sega was always the most cool and popular in the UK,in the playground Nintendo gamers would be dissed for their cartoony games while us serious kids played with cartoon hedgehogs.It's always been there.

As for power,you've got to look at the Switch for what it is and what it can do.Graphically it's not on par with the others,but as a whole it has the potential to beat the competition in many ways.

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OorWullie wrote:

@Bigj0110 Nintendo has always had that image,even when they were in their prime and among the most powerful.Before the 64 Sega was always the most cool and popular in the UK,in the playground Nintendo gamers would be dissed for their cartoony games while us serious kids played with cartoon hedgehogs.It's always been there.

As for power,you've got to look at the Switch for what it is and what it can do.Graphically it's not on par with the others,but as a whole it has the potential to beat the competition in many ways.

Honestly, the only thing I think it has going for it's self hardware wise is the fact that it's also completely portable. As well as being able to dock it, and play it through your TV. Other than that I feel like a lot of aspects of the hardware is outdated by a few years, starting with the memory. I mean again 4 years ago they were already putting in 3 times plus as much internal memory as this console coming out in 2017.

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Considering I'm long past the point of terrible "I NEED THE NEW GAME NOW IT WILL BE THE BEST EVER AAAAAH" hype, no. And even ignoring that, any disappointment about is seems already abundantly clear.

Also there's too many arguments against the hardcore issue to even bring up. Look, unless some impossible to predict, crazy thing happens, AAA Xbox and Playstation games as we currently know them, more often than not, will not be a huge success on Nintendo consoles. This is a dead end. Get over it.

And since PS4 is now over 3 years old, I can say that we can look at PS4's recent games, and most of them that people are liking right now are not typical western AAA games. They do have that big exclusive coming up that is, but that's a first party Sony game. Otherwise it's Tales of, Resident Evil 7, Gravity Rush 2, Nioh. And fairly recently, the big game was Final Fantasy XV. And guess what? NONE OF THESE ARE WESTERN AAA VIDEO GAMES. Now, most of them are AAA Japanese games, but guess who Nintendo is more focused on (at least AFAIK)?

Ironically, this is as much as a defense of the Switch as it is a critique. Because, now would not have been the worst time to make a PS4 level console weirdly enough. It feels like AAA gaming has started to remember what variety is again. Maybe.

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@Bigj0110 I have never been much of a handheld gamer so mine will be docked 90% of the time so that's not the part that really appeals to me.it's the versatility of the Joy-cons,the gyro and HD rumble in the Pro-controller,the huge variety of gameplay experiences the controllers will definitely offer that will be impossible to replicate on the competition without expensive add-ons.Plus,with the tablet itself being the console,it should be easy and affordable to upgrade when a more powerful Switch arrives.If you already own one,you will only need to upgrade the tablet itself.It's set up in a way that it can be around for years to come.

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skywake wrote:

Publishers focus group test and find out that people want more games like CoD or GTA. That's what we get. That doesn't mean that other kinds of content can't do well.

Please tell that to Ubisoft. Please, before they make Watch_Dogs 3...

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After the Wii U, how could you be sure it won't be a let down? I'm excited for the Switch though.

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@McGruber I'll be honest I don't see the Wii U as a letdown. I've had some amazing experience on the Wii U with some of the best games ever. Don't get me wrong it could have been better but certainly not a let down. The Switch I think has a lot of potential and I can see this revolutionising the games industry. I am trying to temper my hype as I don't want to set expectations that the console can't possibly live up to.

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