21CaviarMethsMon 14th Dec 2015 TheLastLugia wrote: SpookyMeths: there's gimmicky, then there's just plain bad controllers. As much as you can't have a conversation (on the Internet at least) about the Wii in particular or Wii U without that buzzword being thrown around, I would say that they were good controllers for the majority of games I've used them for, compared to Sony's controller for that gen which I just find plain annoying and uncomfortable, and even the 360's d-pad made 2D games borderline unplayable. As you say it's just people brandishing a word around because they think they're clever and they know what it means, when in reality it is the opposite. DS1-3 were a little uncomfortable, but I got very used to using them over 15 years. I'm used to the DS4 now and it's actually a big improvement in ergonomics over the DS3. Shape is better, weight, the way the buttons press and the sticks work, it's a much more polished design. Build quality isn't great though. Recently played some PS3 and it was actually quite shocking going back to the DS3, hard to believe that was the controller I got used to for so long. And the 360 controller is a dream to hold. Such perfect weight, shape, and layout, but yes, that D-Pad is garbage. Battery pack on the back also cramps my fingers up. I prefer the internal packs of Sony and Nintendo controllers for that reason. Don't know if the XBO controller improved on that, haven't used one. Edited on Mon 14th December, 2015 @ 14:01 by CaviarMeths So Anakin kneels before Monster Mash and pledges his loyalty to the graveyard smash.