Topic: Attach Rates are Stupid and Games Don't Need to Sell Millions

@Filth_Element
What I was saying was not rubbish. You're misconstruing things that I never said.

I absolutely 100% believe we will see more third-party support then we saw on Wii or Wii U. I'm not talking about the shovelware, I'm talking real games. If you want to say that's rubbish, then come see me in three years and we shall see who was right.

And I absolutely 100% believe that conventional thinking has gone out the window because in prior generations there was no legitimate reason to buy a game on a Nintendo console but now it's all you hear people say. Everybody wants to play the games they love on the Switch. That's an undeniable fact- you see it everywhere. Here on the site, on Reddit, even in real life with practically every person I know. Everybody wants their favorite games on this system. Because on this system you can play it anywhere.

You're totally out of touch with reality if you can't see what's going on. People love this thing and they want all their fave games on it.

You see articles and discussion like this popping up ever since launch

https://www.technobuffalo.com/2017/06/09/great-now-i-want-eve...

http://www.businessinsider.com/nintendo-switch-makes-video-ga...

and I quote, "Every video game ever made is better, or would be better, on the Nintendo Switch. All of them. Full stop."

@Filth_Element
I'm kind of in the boat that a graphical downgrade of an otherwise same game would be fine for me to have it portable (like what we're seeing with stuff like NBA Playgrounds, Yooka Laylee, etc.).

But I do agree that we all need to realize not everything will be able to run on the Switch. The next Wolfenstein, like you said....yea, not happening on Switch lol Even though so far the Switch has been successful against the cries of internet trolls everywhere (lol), it still cannot break the wall of tech spec impossibilities.

Though I will say, the trend with a lot of popular games lately has been less reliance on graphics. Even in the PC world some of the most-played/viewed/popular games are pretty meager in the graphics department (talking stuff like Dota2, League, Hearthstone, Counterstrike, Overwatch, and even Player Unknown's Battlegrounds). It's kind of funny that the "PC Master Race" with our beast machines that can hack satellites (joking, of course...??? haha) still just prefer playing matches of Dota2 and League, games that use graphics that could most definitely be achieved on Switch hardware.

@JaxonH lol. Okay man sure thing I obviously am misconstrueing what your saying even though I am trying to systematically go through your points and coming up with counter arguments. And even your response includes all the statements I take issue with but whatever your not listening and I'm not going to argue over moot points. We shall just have to see in 3yrs, like you say, how much of that 3 party support the Switch has received is actually shovelware or 'real games' as you put it.

@Filth_Element
I never said it was going to have the kind of support PS4 or Xbox has. I said it would have more than Wii or Wii U. And I think it'll already surpass Wii U's support by the end of this year so I really don't see how you would want to argue with that statement

@rallydefault I too would pick up a Switch game over another console but it's not always just graphical downgrades is it... NBA Playgrounds doesn't have all the same players as other consoles (I have the Switch version though lol). For that game it's not too bad but for others the big games or so called 'real games' I'd struggle to justify purschasing it just for portability, it's also game dependent I guess. A big online shooter for instance would be awesome portable but not at the expense of frame rate, downgraded graphics and other possible compromises.

But I do appreciate someone seems to understand my ramblings. Lol

@JaxonH Wii U struggled for 3rd party support but the Wii?...... If the Switch receives support it's not the 'real games' you speak of unless your talking about games like Puyo Puyo and Namco Museum etc.

@Filth_Element
Ehhh... Wii was notorious for not getting that many actual core games. Majority of it was stuff like carnival games. I mean, it got a decent amount but a lot of people didn't bring their games because it was a far larger gap in power, had a mandatory alien control scheme without dual analog, and a far more casual audience. Switch is much closer to its competitors, has normal controls and is already setting a trend for higher than expected sales from a core audience who actually buys games. And, most importantly, it's a system everyone wants to see all their favorite games on (as evidenced in the links provided). Which means demand. Whereas before people didn't really have a reason to buy 3rd party games, now people have a very legit reason. Which means a smaller install base can yield just as many if not more sales.

@JaxonH yeah I know that's kinda what I'm saying that there may be 3rd party games coming to Switch but so far it is very close to that same support the Wii received. I'm still not seeing the evidence of 'real games' coming to the system, your Disgea 5 for instance is a bit like Batman Armored Edition and Splintercell on Wii U, early good signs which may well fall away as time goes on. They also games which can run on the system but there is gonna be a whole lot more over the years which I think we see miss the Switch completely because of the difference in tech.

Like I say I'm trying to argue with you I'm just don't think everything your saying is possible.

@Filth_Element
Oh, without a doubt a great many games will miss the system. But unlike the Wii U, Switch isn't gonna fall off. There's far too much awareness and far too much interest- insane amounts of interest to the point people are rushing out to buy one who haven't owned a Nintendo console in a decade or more. Whereas Wii U started strong and fell off a cliff, I think we're going to see the exact opposite here. Switch starts off slow due to the post-Wii U hesitation, but as the system continues to sell and spread like wild fire is going to be a considerable mad dash of publishers looking for an additional revenue stream. Not every game will make it but if even 10% of the third-party games out there started coming to the system by the time it hits its prime it will, without question, surpass its predecessors

Um sorry to OP as I think we have kinda taken over here🤗

@JaxonH lol see now what your saying is fine. I don't think I misconstrued what you originally posted I think you didn't make it clear enough, but no matter. I think you and I are on the same side just differing views, maybe we see 'real games' as different things.

Let me try and be clear, I love a good variety of games not so much the kind of bro games Battlefield/COD, etc but I see that as the AAA titles. I'm excited for Red Dead Redemption 2 and Wolfenstien 2 (imo the real games the biggies) but also excited for games like Mario+Rabbids etc. I'm just saying if I want to play games like RDR2 I have a snowballs chance of playing it on my Switch (I'd be over the moon with a RDR port of the first one though😍). Games like Disgea 5 I kinda see as peripheral interest games not big AAA but again that's me, and maybe that's where our differing opinions clash...

So what are you thinking is the real games you expect to see?

@Filth_Element
I think we're gonna get a ton of Japanese games- your Dragon Quest X, Dragon Quest XI, DQ Heroes 1/2, DQ Builders, I think we'll see some Final Fantasy spin offs or ports, a whole slew of Koei Tecmo releases, Atlus will surely jump on board (already announced Shin Megami Tensei), Monster Hunter (more than just MHXX), NIS will load it up, Sega and Idea Factory and Bandai Namco will bring a variety of games (Tales and Neptunia and who knows what else), Resident Evil games, Sonic games, another Street Fighter, Platinum will bring 2 or 3 titles over, Square Enix (already Lost Sphear and Project Octopath Traveller, and that's above and beyond stuff like DQ or FF, might see a new Bravely Default or even Rise of the Tomb Raider), soccer, basketball, wrestling, football, Konami with a 2D Castlevania, Skyrim but maybe Fallout 4 if it does well, Dark Souls games, a variety of Ubisoft releases (Steep, Rayman, Mario Kingdom Battle, and that's just first 6-9 months), EA might bring over Mass Effect Trilogy or some other select games later once the install base grows, might see some surprises from TakeTwo, Level-5 will load it up like they did 3DS, every acclaimed mid-market indie will be coming to Switch (stuff like Hollow Knight and Stardew Valley)...

But I'm just speculating based on an educated guess- whatever we end up actually seeing could be far different with a number of games no one foresaw.

@JaxonH I also think the switch will absorb the vita developers.

@JaxonH righto yeah ok when you say real games I took it as big AAA releases. Not that the games you mentioned are bad just, in my eyes, they are niche titles. I hope your right though I'd be excited for some of those.

It is a big if but it's the if that's the basis of the original point. I'm thinking about the games that are on all platforms not the games that the Switch is missing out on. The Switch may not be that capable but it's capable enough that if it gets a game that game should run well enough that the Switch version, being portable, is going to be the version to get.

To get a bit more specific I'm thinking about games like Rocket League, Rayman Legends, Yooka-Laylee, Skyrim, RE-Revelations, RIME, Steep etc. If and when games appear on Switch? As long as they exist and run at a decent framerate the Switch version will, IMO, be the version to get. Because the Switch gives you more flexibility in how you play it. If the next Tomb Raider or whatever comes to Switch? I'm getting the Switch version.

@JaxonH I just want to reinforce the notion that the Switch controller — even in portable mode — feels soooo much nicer than the 3DS which always made my hands cramp. And the Pro controller is so good I wish I could play Monster Hunter: World with it (+ a headphone jack that doesn't require an extension cord). The PS4 controller wastes too much space with the touchbar, itself less responsive than a button or even a good trackpad; has Playstation's stupid parallel joysticks; and has the ends of the handles way too thick compared to a Pro.

I think we should revisit this topic not in the Switch's launch year, lol. You can't expect every game to come in the first 10 months. It's not an issue of companies caring too much about attach rates, it's probably you (the general you) and your impatience.

@skywake that's fair enough, for me I'm not gonna play something like Tomb Raider even if it runs ok. That's only because I want to play the best version and a game like that doesn't necessarily feel better for me because of portability. I'd love it to be portable because I love having that option but not at the detriment (even if negligible) of the game. I'm not saying your wrong but I prefer to play the beefed up version. I would, however, probably get something like Tomb Raider on Switch but only long after release at a cheap price (probably preowned too which none of money goes to the publisher). Which would be more out of interest as I would have played it on PS4.
But I would be totally happy double dipping in old ports of PS3 games like classic redux versions of DMC and Ninja Gaiden as they could run perfectly fine on the Switch and I f ing love to play those on the go. I would buy day one on things like that! 😝

@Haru17 yeah I think maybe your right we are getting carried away way too early in the Switch's lifespan but I guess it's fun to speculate. I. Loving the pro controller too. Don't really mind the PS controller too much but having spent a lot of time with the Switch and Wii U pro controllers recently I'm am finding the PlayStation controller not the best. I get more hand cramp (left hand specifically) with the GamePad screen on my Wii U worst I have ever experienced in my gaming life, that's a lot of controllers over the years! 🤣

@Filth_Element
Well I felt the same way about games that ran decently on the 3DS. I was far happier having a game like Shovel Knight on my 3DS than I was having it on Wii U or PC. Purely because I wasn't losing much with the 3DS version but I could play it wherever I wanted. There weren't many games that ran just as well on 3DS but when they did? Give me the 3DS version.

On the Switch it's similar but the list of games that could run decently on Switch is a lot bigger. There's also the fact that with games on the Switch you can play them on the TV if you want. And also the fact that Switch games are running at a much higher resolution than 3DS games. In an alternate universe where Smash Bros 4 is on Wii U, 3DS, Switch, PS4, XBOne and PC? Give me the Switch version.