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Crono1973

@NEStalgia Suppose I argued that the PS4 Pro is awesome because it's Sony's most powerful console to date. How would you respond?

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NEStalgia

@Crono1973 With confusion and bewilderment. I'm really not sure what point you're trying to make, but I'm pretty certain it doesn't really have anything to do with the point I was making in the original comment you were disagreeing with?

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Crono1973

@NEStalgia Why would you be confused? Is a valid feature of a console that it's more powerful than the last console from the same company?

Crono1973

skywake

I looked at the charts again, it seems I was mistaken. I was looking at software sales for the Switch and hardware sales for the other platforms. The Switch is still the third fastest selling console but it's not #1 as I claimed. But all things considered I still think calling the whole thing smoke and mirrors is a bit of a stretch. It's still third on that metric and tracking similar to the Wii. A graph for those interested.
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Crono1973 wrote:

@NEStalgia Suppose I argued that the PS4 Pro is awesome because it's Sony's most powerful console to date. How would you respond?

I've read the posts, I think you're missing the point. The original point made was that the Switch is the most powerful portable console ever released. That's true and a decent selling point. If you want to play something like FIFA on a portable? The Switch is the console where it'll look the best.

The second point was that it's the most powerful Nintendo console ever released. Which is also true. If you are interested in Nintendo's exclusives? The Switch is where they'll look the best. Not the 3DS, New 3DS or Wii U. You ask how @NEStalgia would respond to asking the same about the PS4 Pro? I assume that they'd confused at why you're even asking. Because it's just as true for the PS4 Pro as it is for the Switch. If you are into Sony's exclusive? The PS4 Pro is where they'll look the best.

I really don't know what point you're trying to make here

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Crono1973

@skywake I have said it a few times. Saying a console is the most powerful console that a company has made is meaningless because every console was the most powerful it's company has ever made at launch. It's like saying that water is wet, it's so obvious that it need not be said and not be used as a feature because every current console is the most powerful console that was made by it's respective company.

I am done here, I just can't keep explaining the same thing over and over again. Next time you see someone claim that a feature of the Switch is that it's Nintendo's most powerful console, I hope you roll your eyes because that is not a stand out feature. It would stand out only if it weren't the most powerful console Nintendo has made.

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skywake

@Crono1973
A selling point doesn't have to be unique to have meaning. I'd argue something being more powerful than its predecessor is probably the most important feature of new bits of tech. It's the primary reason why people upgrade at all. It may be true of just about every bit of new tech but that doesn't make it meaningless.

Probably a bad example bringing up the Wii U to argue my point but for most people? The fact that Nintendo games were now in HD was the primary reason why they got the Wii U. Unfortunately for Nintendo they failed to deliver on that promise by not having a steady flow of games. But still, it was the reason to own a Wii U. It's also true for the Switch. One of the main reasons to buy a Switch is that Nintendo's games will run best on Switch.

Admittedly the Switch is one of Nintendo's consoles where power has meant the least. The Wii U -> Switch transition is one of the smallest leaps in spec for Nintendo second only to GC -> Wii. But even so, some Wii U owners upgraded to the Switch for a better performing Zelda despite the game also being on Wii U. It wouldn't have been the only reason but it was a reason. I know because I'm one of those people who got the Switch at launch despite already having a Wii U. If the Switch had not been more capable than the Wii U I probably would have waited... if not for the fact that it's also a massive upgrade from the 3DS

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LuckyLand

Crono1973 wrote:

@skywake I have said it a few times. Saying a console is the most powerful console that a company has made is meaningless because every console was the most powerful it's company has ever made at launch. It's like saying that water is wet, it's so obvious that it need not be said and not be used as a feature because every current console is the most powerful console that was made by it's respective company.

I am done here, I just can't keep explaining the same thing over and over again. Next time you see someone claim that a feature of the Switch is that it's Nintendo's most powerful console, I hope you roll your eyes because that is not a stand out feature. It would stand out only if it weren't the most powerful console Nintendo has made.

Switch is the most powerful console Nintendo ever made, prior to that there have never been a portable Nintendo console more powerful than previous home consoles (imo 3DS graphics don't stand up even against Gamecube, let alone Wii or Wii U), but Switch can be used both as a portable and a home console and it is still the most powerful one. This is rather impressive and something that never happened before. Also it is in my opinion the one that comes with the most useful and practical innovation in history. I enjoyed Trauma Center a lot but aside from that motion controls felt like something unnecessary that I had to deal with if I wanted to play newest Nintendo games back then. I love the first Wii, it had fantastic games but at least 90% of them would have been the same if not better with a classic controller. The same can be said about dual screen systems, I have yet to understand what benefit there was in using two screens instead of just one. Some games on Wii U gave me headaches and I wasn't able to play them for more than ten minutes or so because of that. Switch instead brings a kind of innovation that I've always dreamed about, and not only does that, but it does so in a brilliant way that I would have never been able even to imagine. Those absolutely are stand out features imo

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Lethal

skywake wrote:

@Lethal
The sales were global sales so most of what you say is wrong.

My numbers were NA only. And it does not matter what you say. As an owner of the product, I feel the Switch severely lacks what everything else on the market already provides. So I can see why the OP wants to get rid of his Switch. Just in case you forgot what this thread was actually about. Instead of going on another fanboy tirade defending Nintendo at all costs.

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BigBadJohn

Guys I've decided to sell my car. It's a very nice car. It's comfortable and drives really fast. I like the colour and it's it looks great parked outside my house but is equally as good looking when out on the road. However I bought it as a direct replacement for my last car and there are things it just doesn't do as well.
No cup holder!
Boot is so much smaller.
No cover on the vanity mirror!
This is supposed to be 2017 and I feel let down by the car manufacturer for not including these very basic things. Now I know my car is very popular and is selling incredibly well but I feel all those people who bought the same model are deluded fanboys. Yes it does everything Porsche said it would do but is it really too much to ask for dual sunglasses holders? What do you guys think?

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rallydefault

Crono1973 wrote:

@rallydefault Well their consoles have fun games on them too, from third parties but fun is subjective. Do you like Bethesda's games? Square Enix's games? You are much more likely to find a fun one on a system with more third party support.

Fun is definitely subjective, I agree. In my opinion, most of the modern "fun" games on Sony's and Microsoft's consoles come from the third parties. Personally, I find Bethesda's games really plodding, but I LOVE what Square Enix does - I absolutely adore the Tomb Raider reboots. And of course there are tons of fun indie games out there.

In general, when I want to have fun, I play my Switch or my PC. When I want a "deep," slower game, I fire up my PS4.

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NEStalgia

@BigBadJohn That's not a valid comparison. Porche is in the tank for XBox and you know it!
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(And seriously, no cup holder?! )

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skywake

@Lethal
I wasn't defending Nintendo I was debunking what you said specifically:

Lethal wrote:

You sound like a sorry fanboy that feels the need to defend Nintendo every chance you can. Go play your Switch and shut up please. The Switch only looks like it is selling like "hotcakes" because Nintendo is terrible at meeting demand. They are selling like hotcakes because people are reselling at a higher cost. Noob...

Now you can call me a fanboy if you want but what you said here was BS. Plain and simple. I called it out as such. I would say the same thing if you made a similar comment about some other thing. The Switch is selling well. Period. It's not just a case of scalpers clearing store shelves because Nintendo is restricting supply.

Now going back to the topic itself after the detour from it that you yourself created. The fact that you mention that everything else on the market provides these features is interesting. Because that's precisely the reason why most people in this thread are disagreeing with the OP. Everything has Netflix and Youtube. And odds are if you care about Netflix you have a Netflix subscription and you wouldn't have one if you couldn't watch it. So why is it a dealbreaker that the Switch doesn't have it yet?

Not that I think it should never have those things. In another thread I argued in favour of these features. It needs to get them eventually and it will happen eventually. Netflix is on Android, iOS, TVs, BluRay players, PVRs, 360, XBOne, Wii, 3DS, Wii U, PS3, PS4, Vita etc, etc. It will come to Switch. I just don't understand why someone would buy a gaming console and then take it back when it doesn't do the thing that they can already do on 15 other devices they own.....

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BigBadJohn

@NEStalgia I'm being deadly serious! Yes my Ferrari is perfectly functional but where the hell do I I put my double choco mocha skinny caramel latte? And yes I know there are other devices I can use like a table but for the amount I'm paying I shouldn't have to. My old fiat had two cup holders! Ferrari-doomed!

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Name the movie quote "Toolshed!"

NEStalgia

@BigBadJohn The table may hold your skinny decaf unicorn lattechino frappe, and sure, I'll admit it does so way better than the Ferrari would even if it had the cup holder since it's actually designed for holding things steady, while the Ferrari is likely to just tilt it and spill it when you're taking left turns (or is it right turns for you guys on the wrong side of the road?), through a red light pushing 115MPH. But you can't take your table WITH you. Who wants to be sipping their unicorn frappe and eating extra low fat, sustainably grown, fair trade, organic, air popped, gluten free potato flakes while stuck only in front of their TV? This is 2017!

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crimsoncavalier

BigBadJohn wrote:

Guys I've decided to sell my car. It's a very nice car. It's comfortable and drives really fast. I like the colour and it's it looks great parked outside my house but is equally as good looking when out on the road. However I bought it as a direct replacement for my last car and there are things it just doesn't do as well.
No cup holder!
Boot is so much smaller.
No cover on the vanity mirror!
This is supposed to be 2017 and I feel let down by the car manufacturer for not including these very basic things. Now I know my car is very popular and is selling incredibly well but I feel all those people who bought the same model are deluded fanboys. Yes it does everything Porsche said it would do but is it really too much to ask for dual sunglasses holders? What do you guys think?

What an absolutely disingenuous argument. Literally nothing at all to the discussion at hand. Cupholders aren't major features of exotic cars. However, Netflix, Miiverse, and other features like that were major features of the Wii U. Millions of users used both Netflix and Miiverse.

The fact that one could sit on the couch, finish playing a game, and immediately transfer over to Netflix and watch a show/movie is not analogous to driving a $100,000 vehicle and sipping coffee. The fact is that the Switch does not allow for that transition between game and other entertainment media.

There are a lot of extraneous features that I think consoles could do without, however many of those things have become industry standards. Telling people to "get a tablet" and quit whining about the Switch not having Netflix is pretty arrogant.

This is the same tired argument in defense of Nintendo since the GameCube didn't read DVDs. Or the Wii. Or the Wii U. For some people it matters a lot. Some people don't want to have 8 different devices hooked up to their TV when one would do just fine.

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NEStalgia

@crimsoncavalier The satire was a welcome break from the ranting of the thread.

"Major feature of the WiiU". The WiiU. Clearly that feature was not exactly a key component to success of the console. WiiU and Wii were trying to be entertainment center devices around which you could build your whole digital experience. WiiU especially was trying to act as an extension of your TV. that's what the whole Wii brand was about: lifestyle products. Playstation has always been, from the start, about synergizing the entire Sony Consumer Electronics ecosystem, starting with pushing their optical media standards and integrating with their TV features, etc. PS3's slogan was "It only does everything." It has always been a full media center device. Interestingly, the PS4 has taken a radical step back from that. They stripped the DLNA client, and aren't including UHD playback so far. It's not pushing a new media format either. XBox One was a disastrous attempt at stepping into the media center arena. They brought out the console advertising most heavily that it's a central media device. The reaction was almost visceral in disgust for it with the loudest voices wanting them to remember it's supposed to be a game console and to get rid of all the media focus.

So Switch comes out as simply a game device. And sells out of stock instantly everywhere. And some small portion of WiiU fans want to argue that it needs more media functions as though a lack of it is causing sales to suffer. In all likelihood it will arrive on the system at some point. Probably when the subscription lands. But the hand waving that the hybrid gaming system isn't a good movie player rings pretty hollow. If it's a feature that matters a lot to someone, then I suppose they won't get the machine. But remember, that voice chat requires a phone that can stream video anyway (Runs for cover to hide in...)

It's just a little weird that Netflix is a single proprietary subscription-based service in select specific countries, yet the people who are shelling out fortunes on the subscription expect the makers of every type of electronic device for sale in every country are going to explicitly cater to their private service subscriptions. Why can't it also have Spotify, Deezer, Napster, Google Play Music, SiriusXM, Amazon Music, and every other subscription service clients on it? Should everyone be demanding all of them? Should every device have a full scale app store to act as a full scale cloud services client? Maybe we should get a Remote Desktop client, too. No reason we shouldn't be administering servers remotely while hopping in and out of Splatoon matches! It would be more convenient than grabbing a laptop!

I'm not trying to really skewer you....you just happened to mention it in such a way that it made me think how ridiculous it's all become. A concept the car analogy really prodded nicely.

Yes, the Switch does not allow for a transition between a game and other entertainment media. Similarly my very expensive Oppo Blu-Ray player can not easily transition from playing media to playing games. In fact it can not do the latter at all. My boutique audio DAC also can not play media OR games, it simply produces audio. There's nothing inherently wrong with a device being dedicated to it's core purpose. In fact most premium devices do exactly that. A lot of people are confusing "I wish it had this feature because I personally want it" with "this product requires this feature to be viable." If it's super important to the OP, than that's an individual preference that might make the Switch a poor fit, at least for the time being. I'm certain Nintendo is more focused on building a reliable supply chain and building long term primary interest via games than they are in appeasing whims of portions at the edges of their potential customer base, and will worry about that when/if sales necessitates it. For now enough people seem pleased with what it offers to outpace production.

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Crono1973

@crimsoncavalier Yeah, people talk all about how Nintendo consoles are all about games and only games but Nintendo is charging just as much for their hardware as their competitors. It's not like Nintendo is packing in some super hardware, they are usually lesser than everyone else in that area. No Blu Ray player, no hard disk drive. What justifies the cost of Nintendo consoles?

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BigBadJohn

@crimsoncavalier I'm being facetious! Buy yourself a Firestick and chill the Fek out.

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KirbyTheVampire

Crono1973 wrote:

@crimsoncavalier Yeah, people talk all about how Nintendo consoles are all about games and only games but Nintendo is charging just as much for their hardware as their competitors. It's not like Nintendo is packing in some super hardware, they are usually lesser than everyone else in that area. No Blu Ray player, no hard disk drive. What justifies the cost of Nintendo consoles?

The ability to play Nintendo games, of course. That's always been basically the only reason anyone buys a Nintendo console. If you don't recognize that and don't think being able to play Nintendo games justifies the cost of the system, I have to wonder why you signed up on a Nintendo website?

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Crono1973

@KirbyTheVampire Been playing Nintendo games for 30 years, not sure it's worth paying a premium for the hardware.

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