Topic: almost ready to sell my switch

@davetheshrew
Your complaint on the right-side Joycon stick is... interesting. Your whole hand goes numb? ...

I feel you on the no browser or streaming services thing, but do you have no other media devices in your home aside from the Wii U? Like... a PC, for example? What do you type on this forum through? Your Wii U?

I mean, it could be worse. It could mostly just be used as a DVD player in its first few months, and yet help cause the death of a beloved console with unique games.

Comparing the Switch to the greatest selling console of all time?

OP: I don't want a console at launch, as it does not have the things consoles do not have at launch.

Actually Netflix only came out for the 3DS in the US. And if we're talking about the 3DS it's worth noting that the 3DS launched in March and the update that added the eShop and web browser didn't come out until June. It wasn't until a year after that update that you could download full retail releases via the eShop. So the Switch is well ahead of the 3DS.

Well, yea - this, pretty much.

OP: Sell the thing and learn from this lol

So what is this thread about? Someone's untidy room or something?

@kkslider5552000 Pours one out for the Dreamcast still too soon...

@Lethal "It needed to have those things at launch" ROFL you guys kill me with your selective arguments. When sales aren't working out you bring it up all the time (see Wii U"). When the sales are there you guys completely ignore them to try to better your point. However, the facts remain the same whether you choose to ignore them or not. The Switch is Nintendo's fastest selling console of all time. It doesn't "need" anything but more parts to make and sell more of its ever elusive buddies. What you personally "need" and what the industry needs are two totally different things. So don't try to pass them off as the same thing, because if the Switch needed those things it wouldn't be selling like hotcakes would it?

As for the thread, I'm neutral about the idea of the added services on the Switch. I use my iPad for things primarily, so I'm fine either way, to be honest. But hey the more features the better right?

The Switch selling has nothing to do with what it should have had at launch. Get your head out of your Nintendo ass please. And I have never once mentioned the Wii U buddy.

I feel the Switch should have had much more available at launch. If you do not agree then good for you. You sound like a sorry fanboy that feels the need to defend Nintendo every chance you can. Go play your Switch and shut up please. The Switch only looks like it is selling like "hotcakes" because Nintendo is terrible at meeting demand. They are selling like hotcakes because people are reselling at a higher cost. Noob...

@Lethal Ok explain "why" it needed them then, if as you said it has nothing to do with sales. What other reason is there to provide extra services other than sales?

Explain why I feel the Switch needed more at launch? Because the Switch is completely bare boned and needs much more if it want's to get used. It is most important at launch because there is a serious lack of games. There is no reason why the Switch could not launch with Miiverse, Netflix, YouTube, virtual console, web browser, and more. This isn't 2001 and consoles need to do more than play games.

That is why. You do not need to agree with my reasons. They are mine and clearly I am not the only one who feels this way.

Exactly everything you stated is purely opinion. And as I said before "What you personally "need" and what the industry needs are two totally different things. So don't try to pass them off as the same thing". If you had said before "in my opinion" it needs these services I wouldn't have said a word. I'm not debating whether these features should be on the Switch or not, I'm debating whether it's a "want" or a "need". And in this case it happens to be a want.

Captain obvious over here. Yours is a damn opinion as well.

Yes.

Because "I don't want to get it yet" is a meaningless discussion. If you don't like it based on information you can super easily find, don't buy it. In fact, that's a good thing, as it gives Nintendo reasons to work harder. Probably involving giving you more things that would make you buy it.

Objectively, it is working as it is selling better than everything else. Subjectively, you don't have to buy it and it's ok if you don't. But the best selling console of all time with an amazing library was infuriatingly overrated early on as a DVD player destroying all the competition with more and frequently better games. It became a well liked console because of games and things beyond its first few months. Which btw also came out a year before the Xbox and GCN. And it started getting more games people loved...around when Xbox and GCN were coming out.

I don't want one anytime soon, but I'm not gonna pretend it should've come out any other time. It clearly came out at the best time. If it came out later, I see many reasons why it could've not had the same momentum, meaning less success, meaning it would get less things etc. Ps2 became great partially because it dominated the competition, so of course you're gonna put all your games on it if you can and the other two don't pay you to do otherwise (and even that didn't stop them, 'sup Capcom). So Switch is in the best place to succeed, so it can later get more good things so you have more reason to get one. The Switch coming out now, is in all likelihood, better for Switch in the future.

That being said, I certainly doubt Switch will do as well as the PS2. WAY more competition now, and not just the other consoles either.

I think its fine to say you pass on a console due to that. Acting like its such a sin to not have all those things at launch is just ridiculous - they've said time and time again those things are coming, and chances are that in 9 times out of 10 you're going to have a device that does that stuff even better.
Why would I want to see Netflix in the Switch's 720p screen while I have my iPad's Retina display and shiny 1080p? Plus, with that I manage to save battery in the Switch to play games.

Not everyone has an iPad. Not everyone wants to carry both a Switch and an iPad around with them. Most people will grab their iPad and leave their Switch because the iPad does games and movies. That is not what Nintendo wants, yet that is what happens until Nintendo puts out what the Switch should have had from the start.

@kkslider5552000 Some people around here are obviously too young to remember, but I knew so many people who bought the PS2 purely for its multimedia capabilities and barely played games on it at all. This was definitely a big part of what made it the bestselling console ever. Gamecube couldn't even begin to compete, with its cute little baby discs. And even then there were a lot of people putting the Gamecube down as a kiddy console because of it and because Sony amd Microsoft honestly were much better than Nintendo at the business side of video games, whether it was aggressively pursuing partnerships with third parties or marketing themselves to the "hardcore" gamers. GCN was an awesome console, but it had a HORRIBLE image problem thanks to Nintendo being, well, Nintendo.

Fast forward a couple of generations, and Switch is facing some very familiar image problems because, guess what, "all" it does is play games. We're right back in the same place we were with Gamecube, with people saying it DEFINITELY should have launched with YouTube in it because we all need YouTube on every device we own. You would think Nintendo would have learned from Gamecube's utter failure to complete, right?

But Nintendo are not going to change. They will be Nintendo until the day the company gets buried. And despite people calling DOOM with every single console generation, that day seems to be farther away than ever. Nintendo's philosophies may not always seem to make good business sense, but they just keep on coming back with surprise hits that keep the company afloat despite what all the l33t gamerz always say. Sony and Microsoft will ALWAYS have the biggest, shiniest, "hardcorest" consoles and all the "AAA" third party exclusives and all the multimedia stuff, but Nintendo will always make fun devices that do nothing but play great games.

I like fun and don't give a rat's hindquarters about YouTube, so I'm pretty much always going to be Team Nintendo.

I just passed on the Switch, nothing on the Switch is worth buying a new console for and I am not dropping $300 to wait for games to come out, if I buy it today I want to be playing games today. No Virtual Console and backward compatibility is a big thing for me and together with the lack of multimedia apps just goes to show that Nintendo doesn't really care to be competitive with the PS4 and Xbox One. I spent my money last night on an Xbox One and picked up Final Fantasy XV and downloaded a few demos. Very interested in buying Halo Wars 2 when money allows. Xbox One also supports most of my 360 games which is just more than Nintendo is offering or intends to offer. They can't even give us straight answers about the VC. The Switch being portable means nothing when I have nothing interesting to play on it. Why would I spend $300 on a console and then another $60 to play Mario Kart 8 again, for example, when I can just play it on my Wii U and that is true for most games on it? I have I am Setsuna on Steam, Lego City Undercover on Wii U and so on. I have enough Blu Ray players but now I have another one which just makes the Xbox One S a better value all around at $250 than the Switch. I guess this is a 4k Blu Ray player too but I have no use for 4k right now, maybe one day. I also don't care for the lack of a D-Pad or the placement of the right analog stick on the Switch. Too many compromises were made to make this a portable device with two built in controllers. Still if it had exclusive games that I wanted and they were available right now, I would have bought it. I won't have that much money again for a year or two I imagine.

@JasmineDragon Sony and Microsoft will ALWAYS have the biggest, shiniest, "hardcorest" consoles and all the "AAA" third party exclusives and all the multimedia stuff, but Nintendo will always make fun devices that do nothing but play great games.

Sony and Microsoft also have more third party games in addition to multimedia apps. I do love my Nintendo consoles but let's not pretend that Sony and Microsoft don't make consoles that have fun games on them too. I don't give a fig about graphics as my favorite part of the Wii and the Wii U was the Virtual Console. I can go from NES graphics to Wii U graphics and just not care because in the end, it's the gameplay that keeps you interested in a game. It's just that Nintendo doesn't really care what people want and all signs are pointing to the VC being a long time away and probably a drip-feed, rebuy the same games type of deal again. No thanks. Switch is supposed to be a modern console (not sure which gen it falls in) but compared to it's competition, it's as bare bones as it gets and that's not looking to change anytime soon.