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SCRAPPER392

Too bad(not really) NX is a micro console. You'll just have to be happy that the game is on Wii U with the GamePad

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skywake

LztheQuack wrote:

Allow me to interject. Nintendo is releasing a new system and they will put a high-profile game on it at launch. Make sense now or will you continue your apparently offended statements?

I don't think anyone was offended. It's more that "Zelda is moving to NX" kinda suggests that "Zelda was delayed for NX". An idea which is definitely going to rub some people the wrong way. And I honestly don't think Nintendo would delay Zelda U for that reason, purely for commercial reasons. If Nintendo could have Zelda U out now they would. Pushing it back a few months? Maybe. A Year? Definitely not.

But as I said on the previous page that's not my issue with the theory. Whether it's the issue other people have with it or not I don't care. I don't buy the theory because it assumes the NX is a traditional home console that's launching in 2016 and is similar enough to the Wii U that a port is trivial. All three lined up for Twilight Princess, only one did for Skyward Sword. There's a fair chance that none of them could line up for Zelda U.

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My point is anything is possible. There's no hard evidence for either side right now. Zelda could very well be a launch title for the NX, or it could be Wii U's swansong...or both!

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SCRAPPER392

There's still no denying that Wii U's graphics are up to par, and the only people who think NX is Nintendo's next home console, think that Wii U is unable to run things like Kingdom Hearts III or CoD Black Ops Iii. There's a lot of misinformation when it comes to missing 3rd party games, sales, etc.

If we already know Wii U can run these new games, and console power is the main reason why people think NX is coming, then it's already a contradiction to think it will be a home console to "outgun" the PS4's graphic power. That's besides that PS4 owners still wouldn't care if a Nintendo console beats out PS4's graphics. That's already been proven since the PS1 & 2 days, if the same fans are there, which they supposedly are, and I personally know people who haven't chosen any other console besides Playstation.

Thinking NX is a home console is like saying Nintendo needs to to release a Newer 3DS to compete against PS Vita, when they just released New 3DS and somehow smartphones are still "killing" Nintendo, so they need to release a tablet or something. Blah blah. I'm not amused.

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LzWinky

So on that note it's not a handheld either?

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@LztheQuack: Aye anything is possible Who knows you might be right!

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Emperor-Palpsy

Without knowing what 'NX' actually is, I think you're getting quite ahead of yourself. We know that it involves new hardware and a form of service directly from Nintendo; but this actually doesn't tell us a whole lot. Nintendo are still committed to supporting the Wii platform, but for the near future this be through emulation. The only conflict here is that the NX is rumoured to not have an optical drive, so data transfers down downloaded titles and an eShop would likely suffice.

But, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the new Zelda title was released 'for' the Wii U, but was still be compatible on a new NX console just as with future Wii U titles. I think they would be shooting themselves in the foot if they abandoned the current-gen (and V.C.) titles so soon.

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Octane

@Emperor-P: It's not rumoured to not include an optical drive. Nintendo filed a patent for a gaming console without an optical drive, people ''speculated'' that it would be inplemented in the NX. I'd hardly call that a rumour. It's more like baseless speculation, as Nintendo (and any other company for that matter) files patents all the time, and the vast majority are never used in actual products.

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LzWinky

Most rumors are baseless anyway. Heck, the term itself is vague

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rallydefault

skywake wrote:

Operative wrote:

If it doesn't go to the NX, surprisingly, I'll admit to guessing wrong. If I'm right, then cool!

But I'm guessing if it doesn't there's gonna be a whole lot of smug "LOL TOLD U IDIOT" from people here.

I suspect that when the inevitable does happen you won't say a thing and nobody else will care. As has happened many times with people making this sort of prediction in the past. Speculation isn't interesting once there's nothing left to speculate about. Hell, this whole line of thinking in this thread might well be squashed entirely when we find out what the NX actually is and/or its timeline.

Infact the main reason why I don't buy this theory is because of the number of things that have to line up perfectly for it to happen. The NX has to be a home console, it has to be a 2016 launch and it has to be something they've known about already. And ontop of all of that Nintendo has to be deliberately misleading us about what their plans for Zelda U are given that they are still saying "Wii U 2016"

I agree with the whole "nobody will really care what people said" thing. I don't get much time to check this forum anymore, much less post on it. I won't be losing any sleep over proving "soandso1970" on Nintendolife was wrong about the next Zelda game.

That being said, Nintendo isn't misleading anyone. And that's exactly my point. Their language about the game is very precise and, technically, not misleading at all. It is coming out for Wii U. Certain Amiibo will work with the Wii U version. Nothing there is incorrect or misleading. It's coming, and it's going to be fantastic.

It's also going to launch with the NX, which is a fantastic business move. And as a Nintendo fan, I'm very happy about all of this.

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shaneoh

rallydefault wrote:

It's also going to launch with the NX, which is a fantastic business move. And as a Nintendo fan, I'm very happy about all of this.

You're not going to be very happy if the NX is a handheld...

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AceDefective

I can get people speculating Zelda U as an NX title, but why are some people so aggressively trying to push a NX port as reality?
We know absolutely nothing definitely aside from rumors and assumptions based off potentially bad wording. DQXI potentially coming to system confirms nothing since it could just be the 3DS version or an equivalent rather than the PS4 version everyone has convinced themselves to be.

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@Octane: its apparent we will never agree on any of this because my arguments are based on reading between the lines, and yours are based on things like "that wasnt EXACTLY what was said" "absence of evidence isnt evidence of absence" "they COULD be doing something else" which are all so easily applied to a company like Nintendo that is so vague about almost everything it says.

I wish I could recall when it was (Im almost sure it was the early part of the e3 dig event) but the speaker (Reggie?) slipped and worded things in a way that essentially assured me the NX was a home console. It was something along the lines of "And it will not take until the nx, it will happen for wii u" (not referring to zelda, lol, i forget what it was) but anyone paying attention while watching that statement could be assured the nx was the wii u's successor.

As far as the common "blue ocean" types never coming back, im sure thats true for some of them, but i highly doubt thats the case for 90 million people. There are still plenty to be won back. Theres a huge gaming populartion out there, as the ps4s success shows, and many of them can afford 2 systems.

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SCRAPPER392

There's also the fact that Nintendo themselves said that it won't replace Wii U or 3DS. They said it won't replace anything, AND they announced it with DeNA and putting software on mobile. That already throws all the rumors out of the window, if you are actually willing to accept their own announcement for the system. That's besides that we could also put together that DeNA is for their mobile sector and their effort to improve the Nintendo account system.
I would say it's hardly a coincidence that they announced all that at the same time.

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@rallydefault I REALLY think you're looking into this a bit too much.

LetsGoRetro wrote:

@Octane: its apparent we will never agree on any of this because my arguments are based on reading between the lines

I don't want to sound rude, but I believe what you mean is "My arguments are based on jumping to conclusions with little to no evidence, and just making assumptions and declaring them true."

There is nothing here...except for the stuff I just typed...

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LzWinky

SCAR wrote:

There's also the fact that Nintendo themselves said that it won't replace Wii U or 3DS. They said it won't replace anything, AND they announced it with DeNA and putting software on mobile. That already throws all the rumors out of the window, if you are actually willing to accept their own announcement for the system. That's besides that we could also put together that DeNA is for their mobile sector and their effort to improve the Nintendo account system.
I would say it's hardly a coincidence that they announced all that at the same time.

Nintendo also said the DS wouldn't replace the Game Boy Advance.

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shaneoh

LetsGoRetro wrote:

I wish I could recall when it was (Im almost sure it was the early part of the e3 dig event) but the speaker (Reggie?) slipped and worded things in a way that essentially assured me the NX was a home console.

The word "console" was used, which could just as easily mean "Handheld game console," as it could "home game console."

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LzWinky

But who's to say that even if it was a handheld it couldn't run Zelda U?

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skywake

LztheQuack wrote:

My point is anything is possible. There's no hard evidence for either side right now. Zelda could very well be a launch title for the NX, or it could be Wii U's swansong...or both!

There's a good rant by Neil De Grasse Tyson about UFOs that you can find on the internet which I think is relevant. Essentially his point was that when you say UFO you are admitting that you don't know what it is. You don't then go from that state of pure ignorance to concluding that it's ET flying above your car giving you an air-show. Admittedly the prospect of Zelda U on the NX is far more likely than ET but a lot of things still have to line up for it to happen. You don't go from ignorance to pretending you know everything as some in this thread have. I'd argue that because we literally know nothing the safer prediction is to assume that things aren't going to line up neatly for Zelda U and the NX.

rallydefault wrote:

That being said, Nintendo isn't misleading anyone. And that's exactly my point. Their language about the game is very precise and, technically, not misleading at all. It is coming out for Wii U. Certain Amiibo will work with the Wii U version. Nothing there is incorrect or misleading. It's coming, and it's going to be fantastic.

I wonder what on earth they could possibly say that would convince you that it isn't on NX. Because the only evidence you have to go on here is that they haven't specifically gone on camera and slowly spelled it out for you. I would also think of Nintendo's actions as misleading if it turns out that they have delayed Zelda U because of the NX. That's the issue I have. Even worse now that they're trying to push out Twilight Princess HD which markets the Wii U as the "Zelda box". If they go out and now say that Zelda U is also on the NX and you didn't need a Wii U? That's a bit too tricky.

So again, the only way I see this happening is if:

  • NX is a traditional home console (not confirmed)
  • NX is launching within a few months of the Zelda U launch (we still know nothing, this is looking unlikely)
  • NX is architecturally similar enough to the Wii U that porting is easy (I would have assumed they were going x86)
  • People who got the Wii U just for Zelda don't feel cheated. Cross buy, earlier launch on Wii U or similar

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@Octane:

LetsGoRetro wrote:

You don't find it off that Aonuma was 100 percent convinced in early 2015 that it was coming in late 2015 and then did a sudden about-face and changed his mind?

TGA in December 2014 =/= early 2015. There has to be some point at which he changed his mind. So no, it's not strange that it happened at some point in time, that's just how reality works.

(Sorry, as I apparently am not very good at quoting things properly, so hopefully anybody interested can figure out who said what in these cnversations, although I'm sure most tired of this back and forth long ago lol )

Anyways you totally are missing the point. And I'm starting to see a pattern of you zoning in on random parts of my argument and debating those, seemingly in order to not have to deal with the main point.. Which, in this case, is that we were shown a video of Aonuma ASSURING Miyamoto that this game would be done in 2015 (as you reminded me, this was December 2014, so Aonuma was positive he was max 12 months away- Despite Zelda games always getting delayed, it speaks volumes to me that Aonuma was so sure of this- As he is an expert on this series, so for him to know he was so close to completion means the game was pretty dang set in stone, as we're dealing with a series with a typical 4 to 5 year development cycle, so the final 10-12 months wouldn't be where major, major changes are typically saved for.)

Now, it was very obvious by the TGA footage that Miyamoto was not super up to date on the new LOZ's progress. He is quite obviously experimenting with the controls and asking questions as he plays it in the video. If you find it unlikely that Miyamoto would be so out of touch with the development of a Zelda game (his "baby" of a series, next to Mario I suppose) you would learn a lot to look up interviews with Aonuma regarding the Wind Waker. He states in one interview, done around 2012 or 2013, that Miyamoto has no idea that Wind Waker was using it's current art style until I believe about a year after it was decided (presumably he still believed it to be using the tech demo style), so it's been commonplace for Miyamoto to be out of the loop since, well, Majora's Mask. The OOT/MM split seems to be the defining pont where Miyamoto handed the keys over to Aonuma.

Anyways, so what we know is Miyamoto was exploring this game for the first time and he either single handedy, or in agreement with Aonuma, decided to delay it after playing it. This leads us to 3 possible logical conclusions:

1.) He/They weren't completely sold on something about it and decided it wasn't ready. Was it artstyle? Had he recently played Xenoblade X or other consoles' adventure/RPG games and decided it didn't stand up to the quality of games such as those?

2.) Maybe it is the opposite and he found the game to be incredible, so much so that the discussion became something along the lines of: "This game is groundbreaking. Truly incredible. Given the right scenario, this game could create incredible momentum for a new platform. Is if sensible to put this on a platform that is already on it's decline when we could put it on the platform of our future and use it to rebuild the company and help re-obtain the 3rd party support from our glory years?" This is supported by the fact that we know dev kits were shown at the last e3, and passed out very recently, so whether NX is due for 2016, 2017, heck even 2018- We KNOW games are being worked on for it! It's perfectly reasonable Zelda could be one of those games, given it's long dev cycle.

3.) What I believe to be the most likely scenario is a combination of 2 and 3- Having played the game, Miyamoto knew with some changes it could be a total system seller/console mover, so delayed it to both work on those changes and have it coincide with the release of the NX. I originally expected a dual release for certain. I'm now 50/50 between NX exclusive and NX/WiiU dual release due to TP HD being released. I just have a nagging feeling Nintendo might feel like with TPHD coming, that'll be enough Zelda for Wii U owners, despite not having an original mainline series entry. WWHD, Hyrule Warriors, Twilight Princess HD is quite a bit. That seems to be as much Zelda as most systems get.

@Octane , as to your point that who knows what we could get in 2016- We ALWAYS know the vast majority of titles coming the following year by December (in the U's lifecycle, anyways). Every December I have a list of what WIi U games I'm looking forward to the next year, and very little changes (other than delays lol). Project Guard is heavily rumored to have been absorbed by Starfox Zero, and Project Giant Robot is seen by most as not being a deep enough concept for a full title- So those are, at best, discount eshop downloads, and not full retail releases. Maybe a "games that effectively use the gamepad" mini-game type of game (I hope not- The Wii/Wii U gen KILLED both minigame comps and 2d platformers for me)

So, what does that leave us with? Pokken Tourney, SMT x FE, ZeldaNX (jk, ZeldaU, MAYBE!), and Starfox? I'm sure I'm missing one of 2, but either way, it's right on track for the typical Nintendo cycle of 1 game every 2 months or so.

Listen guys, I know I sound very negative. But I don't think you're looking at what I'm saying quite the right way. I wonder how old many on this board are. I know many here are from the UK, where I think the SNES was not dominant? I'm a 31 year old from the good ol' US of A, and let me tell you, I grew up in the most magical time to be an SNES fan. It was so good that many from my generation still sit here waiting for Nintendo to return us to those glory years of when we used to make fun of the Genesis kids while we played all of our incredible Nintendo and Squaresoft games.

Those years were so good that people like me, who stopped gaming for over a decade, returned to it because even when I wasn't a gamer I had a million awesome memories of Nintendo and couldn't help but coming back one day. And when I finally did come back, I found a company that once used to dominate everyone had lost their way and was now the one getting stomped around on the salesfloor.

Now, I have love for Sony PlayStation, too- As I followed my beloved RPG's there when Nintendo took it's first step toward mediocrity and lost those RPG's- Final Fantasy 7, 8 and 9.. Suikoden 1 and 2 (ahhh, Suikoden 2, I love you! Xenogears, etc. etc. etc. But it's nowhere near the love I have for Nintendo.

So, I just want Nintendo to get back to that dominance. That's all. And I know they can't do it with the Wii U. They just can't, ok? So don't ask "How can you be so sure? Maybe after 3 years of Dreamcast level sales they'll automatically skyrocket?" It's just not happening. So, maybe it can happen with the NX? When I saw Cloud was in Smash I freaked!!! Maybe Nintendo really is winning back 3rd parties with the NX? It's all they need to do!!

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