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smileyface97

@MightyKrypto: To counter I would say that their "different gimmicky consoles" are very good for the industry; if not for the consumer. Nothing can always hit home, but I think that (for example) the N64 rumble pack was very good for the industry. If video games don't evolve their user input and feedback mechanisms, then gaming won't evolve and could eventually become boring.

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MightyKrypto

@smileyface97: Maybe we do need that kind of innovation, but i don't think there's much room for that nowadays. Most gamers want to play their games like we've been playing them for years => a tv, a powerful console with a familiar controller. I don't think most people are waiting for that kind of innovation anymore. I'm talking from a consumer's point of view, of course.

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CaviarMeths

MightyKrypto wrote:

Yes, i'm may get a lot of hate over this, but... i kinda wish for them to stop putting their attention on creating the next original, 'different' and gimmicky console (great as they might be), and just focus on making the games we all love. Cause that's their strong suit, really!

They make the games we love because they are a platform holder. Games like Splatoon probably wouldn't exist if Nintendo went 3rd party.

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smileyface97

@CaviarMeths: Why not? I feel that Nintendo's desire to innovate would actually be increased in their games if they were forced to compete with other games. Nintendo wants to innovate; if they stopped making consoles they would find a way to innovate elsewhere.

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MightyKrypto

@CaviarMeths: Interesting. Why wouldn't games like Splatoon not exist if that were the case?

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CaviarMeths

smileyface97 wrote:

@CaviarMeths: Why not? I feel that Nintendo's desire to innovate would actually be increased in their games if they were forced to compete with other games. Nintendo wants to innovate; if they stopped making consoles they would find a way to innovate elsewhere.

Because the thing that affords Nintendo the ability to exercise creative freedom and innovate in gameplay is that they have that safety net of owning their own platform and store. It's a really big deal. They make a lot of money in hardware, that money gets reinvested in software development. Despite low sales, the Wii U has brought in billions of dollars in revenue.

They also can waive their own licensing fee to publish on the platform. Other stores take a cut. Apple and Steam for example take a 30% cut of all sales on their stores. That's a lot of money. For a game that sells as well as Mario Kart or Splatoon, we're talking about tens of millions of dollars, enough to begin development of several new software projects. That's why EA stopped releasing on Steam and opened their own digital storefront, Origin. More control, no fees. Their games are popular enough to have that leverage.

Revenue and profit of course are two different things and profit is important for the company's health, but the most important thing about revenue is that it's money coming in. Any money coming in can be reinvested. You can't develop new products without that cash flow. Even with the Wii U being a commercial failure, it's still generating enough income for Nintendo to invest in new IP for the platform.

Going 3rd party would reduce Nintendo's avenues of income and cost them more to publish software. It's risky. It's throwing away guaranteed money to chase potential, maybe money, maybe not money. As a business, you want to expand, not downsize. Dropping an entire product line is an extremely weighted decision that no company would make lightly. It would only be done under dire circumstances, like Sega's string of failures throughout the 90s that led to massive losses or Sony's years of bleeding money with their Vaio product line.

For that reason, being 3rd party is not an ideal situation for most Japanese publishers. As far as I know, the most successful 3rd party company in Japan right now and the only one who could realistically enter hardware production is Bandai Namco, who have their hands in a ton of other markets like animation, toys, and arcades. There's not a whole heck of a lot of money in being just a software developer for dedicated gaming devices in Japan these days. Relatively speaking, anyway.

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iKhan

smileyface97 wrote:

iKhan wrote:

smileyface97 wrote:

I would argue that the late Wii lifespan and the WiiU are very much counterpoints to your sentiment. I want what you said to be true, but Nintendo alone can't offer enough games for the consumers to buy there systems on mass.

@smileyface97

Well, many people loved Skyward Sword and Wii Sports Resort, same with NintendoLand, ZombiU, and Splatoon. I'd say regardless of system sales, that's enough to say Nintendo made a meaningful contribution by having a home console

I agree that the WiiU is a system with great games and I don't regret owning it. But I worry that Nintendo won't be able to sustain this kind of development cycle, without beginning to wear on customers. If Nintendo can't sell consoles to the masses then their IP begins to lose public mind-space and this will further wear down the console sales. It's one of many downward cycles that Nintendo risks on their current trajectory.
Also, why can't Nintendo continue to produce great games on somebody else's platform. I don't necessarily like the idea, but it's worth considering.

It's not just about them creating great games. It's about them creating great games that take advantage of unique console features, (hence the games I mentioned). So long as Nintendo keeps creating hardware and games that are only made possible by said hardware, then they can contribute to the industry with their consoles.

I agree with you points, but even then, I think Nintendo has value to the industry.

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@foobarbaz: so you think they will continue to make the same games if they go 3rd party? like sega and hudson soft did? lol it would ruin them.

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iKhan

@foobarbaz: Then there are thousands of games you can enjoy on Sony and Microsoft's systems. But the people who like innovative controllers, we get completely screwed if Nintendo goes 3rd Party.

The appeal of gaming as a whole would narrow dramatically if Nintendo dropped out. Them staying in just results in one publisher's games being less enjoyable to one group.

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CaviarMeths

foobarbaz wrote:

I see no reason for Nintendo to stay in the hardware business anymore.

Er, because money. That's what business is all about.

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Bolt_Strike

I think if they had their own OS and framework, they might be okay with being a third party developer. If they really want to innovate hardware they can work on peripherals instead of full consoles.

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Handhelds: definitely not.
Home consoles: maybe.

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TromboneGamer

@Bolt_Strike: The only peripherals I know of that people invest a decent amount of money into are fighting sticks. I can't see controllers and other peripherals from Nintendo being sold for use on other consoles as being beneficial to the consumers of said consoles. As for my opinion on whether or not Nintendo should stop making consoles I will definitely say NO. Just because lightning doesn't strike twice in a row doesn't mean it won't some other time down the road.

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napalmninja

I can't find the exact quote, but somebody summed up my thoughts on this perfectly. They said Nintendo may not always make the best decisions, but the gaming industry is a better place because they're around. I don't think they should ever stop making consoles and go third party because they would run the risk of losing the essence of what makes them great. I just don't think games like Mario Galaxy or Wind Waker would evoke the same feelings if they were multi platform. Even Yookah-Laylee I plan to buy on a Nintendo console just because it feels right.

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iKhan

TromboneGamer wrote:

@Bolt_Strike: The only peripherals I know of that people invest a decent amount of money into are fighting sticks. I can't see controllers and other peripherals from Nintendo being sold for use on other consoles as being beneficial to the consumers of said consoles. As for my opinion on whether or not Nintendo should stop making consoles I will definitely say NO. Just because lightning doesn't strike twice in a row doesn't mean it won't some other time down the road.

Bingo. Even Wii Motion + never got used - because it wasn't owned by the full install base. Why would a developer spend money developing for a peripheral that they themselves don't sell? The only times it ever makes sense is with something like Just Dance, where one platform doesn't need a separate purchase, and the only way to port it to other platforms is to develop for peripherals, or with something like XBOX Elite controller, where supporting it as negligible cost.

Why else would games like COD not support Move on PS3?

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OneBagTravel

No, but they shouldn't cut short the Wii U's life so quickly. They're throwing so much money int R&D for this upcoming console when their Wii U is really in it's golden year right now. They should hold off on releasing the NX (whatever it ends up being) for another 2-3 years.

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Haru17

Blast wrote:

Nintendo has said before that they would rather die than go 3rd party.

That would be foolish. All I want is for Nintendo to keep making console games, that is, deep, sit-down experiences. A practice that, I feel, has been a bit light on the Wii U.

I wouldn't mind if they made console games exclusively for Playstation or Xbox, outside of potential monopoly concerns. They could probably even hash out a deal to make games exclusive to one or the other platform in return for lower licensing fees there. So they could still make a great profit from being a third part dev, if that comes to it. Obviously, this doesn't have a chance of happening until the NX has come and gone.

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