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Topic: NX aparantly not as powerful as PS4 rumour. Discussion on good/bad things this could mean.

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DefHalan

DarkmarkUnited wrote:

UNTRUE. Dragon Quest 10 and 11 are coming to the NX. So that means the console will have specs like the PS4.

It can still be close but not be as powerful. A lot of people say the Xbox One is less powerful that the PS4 and it gets lots of the same games. (Not sure how true it is but specs don't have to be the same to get the same games)

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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Paulthevgnerd

@DarkmarkUnited: No, it doesn't. We haven't seen what the NX version look's like, so we can't determine the NX specs from a simple statement. I'm sure the Wii U can also run UE4.

Paulthevgnerd

Grumblevolcano

DarkmarkUnited wrote:

UNTRUE. Dragon Quest 10 and 11 are coming to the NX. So that means the console will have specs like the PS4.

Not true, DQ10 is on Wii U and DQ11 is on 3DS so it could be a Wii U + 3DS hybrid.

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NinChocolate

NCL releasing hardware mid cycle and near spec of the competition would have several advantages that I could see. I hope that's their plan going forward with hardware launches. Reggie said there's plenty of time left in the current cycle so they could be seeing that 1up strategy

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Octane

DarkmarkUnited wrote:

UNTRUE. Dragon Quest 10 and 11 are coming to the NX. So that means the console will have specs like the PS4.

@DarkmarkUnited: No, nothing is confirmed yet: "It is under consideration, but we don’t have further information to share at the moment,'' Negotiations with Nintendo about the NX have yet to start, nothing is confirmed until an official statement is made.

Source:
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/07/28/the-first-games-announ...
http://www.dualshockers.com/2015/08/07/final-fantasy-xiv-xbox...

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Octane

skywake

Yeah, this is sounding more and more like standard PR. You could've asked the same thing about the Wii U in 2010 and got the same response.

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IceClimbers

Based on that clarification from Liam, that whole thing was basically someone from NCL stating the obvious: competing solely on power isn't Nintendo's focus. That in no way means that the NX is weaker than the PS4. Chances are, the NX is on par with the PS4 or slightly better at the very least considering the fact that the PS4 had rather outdated hardware at launch anyways. That was in 2013. Assuming the NX launches Holiday 2016, then it should naturally have on par or better specs based solely on how technology works and Nintendo's philosophy of having affordable hardware.

While being on par or slightly better than the PS4 would be very underpowered for a 9th gen system, it won't matter much for Nintendo because there is no way Sony and Microsoft are going to cut the lifespan of the PS4 and XB1 that short. No way the PS5 and XB2 launch any earlier than 2018. That gives the NX at least 2 years on the market, assuming it's coming in 2016, which it most likely is.

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skywake

Assuming it's 2016 and assuming it's actually a home console. Either way the exchange didn't really say anything. All it says is that they're not really interested in beating the competition on spec which has been the Nintendo mantra for years. Was even true of the Wii U which when it released was actually the most powerful console on the market.

Them not competing on spec doesn't necessarily mean it'll be less powerful than the PS4. Especially given the PS4 will be at least three years old by then.

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DjLewe78

Im convinced that the NX will MAINLY be for 1st party and indie games.
Ive said before that rather than trying to lure back 3rd parties why not just expand on the studios and partners they have to make more games.
Indie games at the moment are very creative but still fairly basic in appearance at large. But as technology advances these indie developers will start making bigger better games, look at fast neo racing for example.
Its a bit like the movie industry, yeah big blockbusters will always be there but new directors and producers arrive all the time with new ideas and people love them.
Yeah sure there will always be people out there who will only watch big AAA films but as humans we need to see new exciting ideas.
Thats where Nintendo should always be in my opinion.

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erv

There are indeed a lot of assumptions nx is something in the home console space, yet nothing of the sort was really mentioned. It could be a game system for the home that doesn't even need a tv. Or a portable thing that does.

I see nobody liked my idea of humanoid dancing stripper bananas. That is odd. Could've sworn there's a market for that.

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iKhan

DjLewe78 wrote:

Im convinced that the NX will MAINLY be for 1st party and indie games.
Ive said before that rather than trying to lure back 3rd parties why not just expand on the studios and partners they have to make more games.
Indie games at the moment are very creative but still fairly basic in appearance at large. But as technology advances these indie developers will start making bigger better games, look at fast neo racing for example.
Its a bit like the movie industry, yeah big blockbusters will always be there but new directors and producers arrive all the time with new ideas and people love them.
Yeah sure there will always be people out there who will only watch big AAA films but as humans we need to see new exciting ideas.
Thats where Nintendo should always be in my opinion.

I think that's way too risky. Both for Nintendo and for buyers. For Nintendo, now every major game on their platform has a MAJOR stake in their financial success. Try to drop a blockbuster, and it flops? Well Nintendo is eating all of that loss.

For us consumers, it means that on Nintendo platforms, there is only one "head honcho" and that's Nintendo. That means that some characteristics are going to be constant across the board. On top of that, competition is going to be much weaker for Nintendo.

This is going to be unpopular, but I think Nintendo is still way behind on indie games, and I think a part of that stems from their lagging behind in 3rd party previously (the failure of WiiWare and the Wii's weak hardware were also big ones, but that's not really relevant to this particular discussion). Many gamers and developers who go indie don't really see Nintendo platforms going well with a grand scale indie title, because well, those types of retail 3rd party games never showed up on the GC, N64, or Wii.

Nintendo has gotten, and will continue to get tons of SNES and NES era inspired games, but I think that in order to go bigger in indie in a lasting way, they need to get big 3rd parties back

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Therad

Paulthevgnerd wrote:

@DarkmarkUnited: No, it doesn't. We haven't seen what the NX version look's like, so we can't determine the NX specs from a simple statement. I'm sure the Wii U can also run UE4.

The problem is that there is no official Wii U build or support from Epic Games, so every developer has to figure it out themselves. If Epic made the porting, they could probably add some optimizations in the code that other developers probably won't add.

Therad

Smash_kirby

Therad wrote:

Paulthevgnerd wrote:

@DarkmarkUnited: No, it doesn't. We haven't seen what the NX version look's like, so we can't determine the NX specs from a simple statement. I'm sure the Wii U can also run UE4.

The problem is that there is no official Wii U build or support from Epic Games, so every developer has to figure it out themselves. If Epic made the porting, they could probably add some optimizations in the code that other developers probably won't add.

From what I have heard and read the WIiU and Vita port devs of Bloodstained will be porting back all of the work they did for the game back to the source.

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Therad

Smash_kirby wrote:

Therad wrote:

Paulthevgnerd wrote:

@DarkmarkUnited: No, it doesn't. We haven't seen what the NX version look's like, so we can't determine the NX specs from a simple statement. I'm sure the Wii U can also run UE4.

The problem is that there is no official Wii U build or support from Epic Games, so every developer has to figure it out themselves. If Epic made the porting, they could probably add some optimizations in the code that other developers probably won't add.

From what I have heard and read the WIiU and Vita port devs of Bloodstained will be porting back all of the work they did for the game back to the source.

It would be awesome if they did that. But on the other hand, Nintendo should have done that work themselves right after the Wii U launch.

Therad

parallaxscroll

sorry if this was already discussed. It doesn't even qualify as rumor, but on NeoGAF a member posted information about NX, originally in Italian, from someone who says he has sources inside NCL. Very easily could've been completely fabricated. That said, an interesting read.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=177463814&post...

  • He's under strict NDA with Nintendo Japan
  • Informations are from march 2015, with some updates from june-july
  • He received a bunch of patents (some of them are publics now), info about what Nintendo is planning and a list of games potentially in development (some of them may or may not have been cancelled), third parties included
  • NX is a platform, not tied with a single device
  • Wii U is still in the picture thanks to good software results for games like Splatoon, will still be the main home console in 2016
  • 3DS is a bit old, they're planning of replacing it. Some games will still come out on it, but big projects are being moved on portable NX
  • With NX, Nintendo wants to create a platform where they can develop software for multiple devices with ease, from the home console to the portable to smartphone and tablets. They'll have a big catalogue available for multiple platforms, with cross buy, cross saves and cross play, similar to what Microsoft is doing with Xbox One and PC thanks to Windows 10 (that allows to play many Xbox games on PC, which is also getting a bunch of ports from Xbone). Each platform will still have exclusive games
  • NNID is tied to the single device, but it will allow to share details between platforms, like friend list, contents, local coop games, etc. Thanks to the new membership program (the successor of Club Nintendo), we'll benefit from the new Nintendo policies in terms of rewards
  • They'll show the portable in spring 2016, will be out for the end of the year or spring 2017 max. Specs will be higher than PS Vita but nothing mindblowing, screen resolution should be 540p, considering 720p if costs go down. BC with 3DS was problematic
  • Wii U successor will not have an optical drive, which will be optional. It will sync with the portable (not obligatory). Specs won't be super high, but close to PS4/X1 (doesn't know how much, like with the portable this is still subject to change anyway). Cross games will look better on the home
  • Nintendo is focusing a lot on the anti-piracy system
  • Big focus on the OS as well. They hired people that worked for Google on Android, the guys who worked on the Gamecube OS and Wii U browser are there too. Optimized versions of the same OS for every NX platform (think, again, W10), each with its set of specific functions. Updates will come out at the same time, they're focusing on making the OS blazing fast on every platform
  • The home console can connect with the portable to send to it its own version of the games you buy, will use the same tech as the Wii U-Wii U Gamepad streaming to do that, or the internet connection
  • The home will have bc with the Wii U. Gamepad should be compatible as a controller, considering selling it standalone. Can connect with the portable for offtv and bc. WiiMote compatibility is being considered too. As for support, since the new home won't have an optical drive, they're considering an external one. Also being considered NNID/eShop bc for titles bought on the eShop. Seems they're considering digital games sharing too, but this bit is not perfectly clear
  • The portable will have its own internal memory, which will be expandable
  • There will be a complete overhaul of online infrastructures, but Nintendo is determined to hold successful operations as Miiverse, extending it even further and making it a central hub for communications by developers and a meeting place for players. It will be even more interactive with the ability to upload videos and screenshots in an integrated system and not dependent on the game
  • Voice chat and interactions between users will be revisited too, much will depend on the users age though, to protect the minors
  • The home will be out 6-12 months after the portable, creating the "NX system" that will allow Nintendo to better use their resources in games development
  • They approached third parties during E3. Capcom, Square-Enix, Ubisoft and Electronic Arts already have devkits. Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, Sonic, F-Zero and Metroid are in development, doesn't know if these are main episodes or spin offs. Zelda is currently a Wii U only title due to high development costs, but they can reconsider to have another big game at NX launch
  • Prices will be low, 200-300€ (for the home?), considering a bundle with both for no more than 500€
  • Many of these things will be discussed in future Nintendo Directs, which will have a different host in every market if Nintendo can't find a new CEO by october
  • A new 3D Mario will be shown, along with a new Zelda trailer. Retro moved their project on NX, will not be unveiled before 10-18 months
  • They'll talk about a new "Club Nintendo", which will be in full function with NX
  • Considering making agreements with phone carriers in order to better manage applications like Miiverse, Club Nintendo and the ability to purchase software by phone. Some of these will be out by March 2016
  • Is everything set yet? Yes, but with Nintendo you'll never know. If he has updates he will share them with us.

parallaxscroll

Blast

parallaxscroll wrote:

sorry if this was already discussed. It doesn't even qualify as rumor, but on NeoGAF a member posted information about NX, originally in Italian, from someone who says he has sources inside NCL. Very easily could've been completely fabricated. That said, an interesting read.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=177463814&post...

  • He's under strict NDA with Nintendo Japan
  • Informations are from march 2015, with some updates from june-july
  • He received a bunch of patents (some of them are publics now), info about what Nintendo is planning and a list of games potentially in development (some of them may or may not have been cancelled), third parties included
  • NX is a platform, not tied with a single device
  • Wii U is still in the picture thanks to good software results for games like Splatoon, will still be the main home console in 2016
  • 3DS is a bit old, they're planning of replacing it. Some games will still come out on it, but big projects are being moved on portable NX
  • With NX, Nintendo wants to create a platform where they can develop software for multiple devices with ease, from the home console to the portable to smartphone and tablets. They'll have a big catalogue available for multiple platforms, with cross buy, cross saves and cross play, similar to what Microsoft is doing with Xbox One and PC thanks to Windows 10 (that allows to play many Xbox games on PC, which is also getting a bunch of ports from Xbone). Each platform will still have exclusive games
  • NNID is tied to the single device, but it will allow to share details between platforms, like friend list, contents, local coop games, etc. Thanks to the new membership program (the successor of Club Nintendo), we'll benefit from the new Nintendo policies in terms of rewards
  • They'll show the portable in spring 2016, will be out for the end of the year or spring 2017 max. Specs will be higher than PS Vita but nothing mindblowing, screen resolution should be 540p, considering 720p if costs go down. BC with 3DS was problematic
  • Wii U successor will not have an optical drive, which will be optional. It will sync with the portable (not obligatory). Specs won't be super high, but close to PS4/X1 (doesn't know how much, like with the portable this is still subject to change anyway). Cross games will look better on the home
  • Nintendo is focusing a lot on the anti-piracy system
  • Big focus on the OS as well. They hired people that worked for Google on Android, the guys who worked on the Gamecube OS and Wii U browser are there too. Optimized versions of the same OS for every NX platform (think, again, W10), each with its set of specific functions. Updates will come out at the same time, they're focusing on making the OS blazing fast on every platform
  • The home console can connect with the portable to send to it its own version of the games you buy, will use the same tech as the Wii U-Wii U Gamepad streaming to do that, or the internet connection
  • The home will have bc with the Wii U. Gamepad should be compatible as a controller, considering selling it standalone. Can connect with the portable for offtv and bc. WiiMote compatibility is being considered too. As for support, since the new home won't have an optical drive, they're considering an external one. Also being considered NNID/eShop bc for titles bought on the eShop. Seems they're considering digital games sharing too, but this bit is not perfectly clear
  • The portable will have its own internal memory, which will be expandable
  • There will be a complete overhaul of online infrastructures, but Nintendo is determined to hold successful operations as Miiverse, extending it even further and making it a central hub for communications by developers and a meeting place for players. It will be even more interactive with the ability to upload videos and screenshots in an integrated system and not dependent on the game
  • Voice chat and interactions between users will be revisited too, much will depend on the users age though, to protect the minors
  • The home will be out 6-12 months after the portable, creating the "NX system" that will allow Nintendo to better use their resources in games development
  • They approached third parties during E3. Capcom, Square-Enix, Ubisoft and Electronic Arts already have devkits. Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, Sonic, F-Zero and Metroid are in development, doesn't know if these are main episodes or spin offs. Zelda is currently a Wii U only title due to high development costs, but they can reconsider to have another big game at NX launch
  • Prices will be low, 200-300€ (for the home?), considering a bundle with both for no more than 500€
  • Many of these things will be discussed in future Nintendo Directs, which will have a different host in every market if Nintendo can't find a new CEO by october
  • A new 3D Mario will be shown, along with a new Zelda trailer. Retro moved their project on NX, will not be unveiled before 10-18 months
  • They'll talk about a new "Club Nintendo", which will be in full function with NX
  • Considering making agreements with phone carriers in order to better manage applications like Miiverse, Club Nintendo and the ability to purchase software by phone. Some of these will be out by March 2016
  • Is everything set yet? Yes, but with Nintendo you'll never know. If he has updates he will share them with us.

Sounds incredibly believable... But... Retro Studios project is moved to NX and not Wii U? Oh come on.... I understand but still....

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DefHalan

Sounds like a lot of wishes to me. Saying there is a F-Zero and Metroid in development for the NX makes it all feel really iffy to me

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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Bolt_Strike

I'm not sure I buy some parts of this. Particularly the lineup and having devices be tied to one device. Also, they should make it more clear whether or not the console is digital only or uses cartridges.

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iKhan

DefHalan wrote:

Sounds like a lot of wishes to me. Saying there is a F-Zero and Metroid in development for the NX makes it all feel really iffy to me

I think it's entirely possible that Nintendo is working on an F-Zero and Metroid. Whether they will actually become games though is up in the air. Part of the reason the franchises we haven't seen in a while are so absent is because Nintendo has gone through several iterations and has had to scrap ideas. We saw this very clearly with the development of Kirby's Return to Dreamland.

Anyway, the rumor has one thing going for it that long-form NX rumors usually don't have. It's believable. There are no grand predictions of a $200 magic device as powerful as the PS4 that streams games to an included fully functioning handheld. They didn't say anything like there being a 3D Mario, a Zelda, a Metroid, and a Kirby game all at launch. So props to the creator of the rumor.

But unless this guy has been accurate before, I'm going to remain skeptic.

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