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Topic: NX aparantly not as powerful as PS4 rumour. Discussion on good/bad things this could mean.

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erv

skywake wrote:

@erv: Except that the 2016/17 equivalent of a Wii would be competitive with the PS4. That's my point. There's only so much that they would want to cut the spec. Diminishing returns, if they release a home-console in 2016/17 that's not competitive with the PS4 it wouldn't be that much cheaper than one that was. There would be other advantages, like being able to turn it into a portable system if they pushed it hard enough, but it wouldn't get that much cheaper.

Ah, I get it. Yeah, if we're still talking about the traditional home console as we know it than going that route seems likely.

I do think that there's a possibility the hybrid hardware setup could happen at an about / slightly better equivalent power setup as the wii U is now. That would make it a different story from a portable perspective and definitely not on par with ps4 stuff. Your graph underscores the possibility.

But with the comments from Iwata that say it will surprise people and introduce new ways to play, we may be in for a treat. And some of those cutting costs after rnd work will be negatively reflected in the price point per spec ratio. I remember a similar rhetoric about the revolution, later to become the wii - although I doubt the difference in amount of polygons and grass rendering is as profound as the hd one was back in the day.

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skywake

@erv: Something like this in terms of pricepoint for the launch timeframe we're talking about....
~$200US portable -> "this is a nice little upgrade from the 3DS"
~$250US portable -> "these games look about on par with 360/PS3 games"
~$250US home console -> "this is a Wii U...."
~$300US portable -> "Nice, a portable Wii U"
~$300US home console -> "Oh cool, this is a Nintendo console that's about on par with the PS4"
~$400US home console -> "Awesome, this is a nice little spec bump from the PS4"
Nintendo does a 360 on us in late 2017 -> "this thing can play games at 4K... 30fps 4K but damn, 4K. Nice"

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Platypus101

DjLewe78 wrote:

I know but hes right about A LOT of his rumours. So let's just assume its right. Think hard about positives and negatives n lets try n get a good idea what NX IS

Which other rumors do you speak of sir?

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DjLewe78

Nintendo is about creativity.
They believe in indie developers and seriously how long do you think, with technology getting better and better every day do you think that games will get better looking and more complex with basic design tools ?
surely the old school way of building a console is on its way out ?
Perhaps they know something we don't?

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skywake

A similar version of the graph I posted on the previous page but with a limit on the top. The thick line on the top shows what the highest end GPU of that year was capable of. Then everything else neatly assumes that things have been speeding up at the same rate. Which probably isn't right given that in recent years the market has been more interested in reduced power consumption. Which has slowed things down at the high end somewhat. But still.... it looks nice
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napalmninja

I'm not reading too much into what he says for a couple reasons. One, he himself states right after that comment that he has no idea what the NX even is and that he only knows it isn't competing. Two, with Nintendo being as closed lip as they are about NX because sources isn't a good enough reason to believe his statement, which frankly is so broad that as long as the NX isn't exactly like the PS4 he could technically be right.

Whatever the NX is I don't think power is going to be its main selling point so his comment is moot anyways. Nintendo seems to feel like they have something special because I don't remember them being this confident in the Wii U before its release, but I could easily be remembering wrong. And like skywake has said, even if it doesn't necessarily compete with the PS4 as long as the architecture is easy to develop for, then they should be able to get third parties on board.

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TuVictus

I certainly do remember them being confident about the Wii U. If not more so than any other console. They thought they were gonna have all Wii owners transfer over once they saw the shiny new box, and then claimed the Wii U would also be a core gamer console.

Needless to say, things didn't pan out.

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napalmninja

@Operative: Maybe it was me who wasn't confident about it then haha.

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Kaze_Memaryu

For several reasons, I don't give a damn:

  • Console power doesn't determine whether good games come out on it or not. It's not even remotely important to assess the console quality.
  • The PS4, while powerful in numbers, can barely handle itself, and basically no developer made use of this power to make a game that would've been impossible on previous generation consoles. Maybe the graphics and certain effects would've been less impressive, but at no point would the gameplay of any of these games have suffered.
  • I'm only minorly interested in console power in general. What matters to me is what the console offers in terms of innovation.
  • I'm not getting the NX, anyway. Not even if they announced Guilty Gear XRD, PERSONA 5, a new Metroid game, and Splatoon 2 as launch titles.

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Kai_

Why CAN'T they just go with something powerful, AND bring something innovative? They have the money, and the casual market has pretty much abandoned them. They made this mistake with the Wii U, thinking the masses would flock to its low price point, and they ended up choosing the more powerful, more expensive option.

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-Green-

@Plateface: Why can't people just realize this is just a rumor, also. I'm not specifically targeting you and its okay to discuss it, but others seem to think that it is a fact.

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Kai_

@Aromaiden This is hardly something unexpected, it's Nintendo. They would do something like this again.

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@Plateface: I'm aware of that, but I find it foolish how many people are taking the rumor, and treating it like it is a fact. If it ends up being true, then so be it, but until then it's best to take it with a grain of salt and refrain from making harsh judgments (again, I'm not specifically targeting you).

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TuVictus

Kaze_Memaryu wrote:

For several reasons, I don't give a damn:

  • Console power doesn't determine whether good games come out on it or not. It's not even remotely important to assess the console quality.

I feel like that's a misconception. A console's power could ensure third party support, meaning more possible good games to come out on the console. It's not the most important thing maybe, but specs do play a big role in how your console is supported. And more power could also pave the way for new and innovative ideas. I don't like this mindset of Nintendo that's either "Power or innovation". Why not both? They can go hand in hand.

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skywake

Kaze_Memaryu wrote:

  • Console power doesn't determine whether good games come out on it or not. It's not even remotely important to assess the console quality.
  • The PS4, while powerful in numbers, can barely handle itself, and basically no developer made use of this power to make a game that would've been impossible on previous generation consoles.

See the thing is I agree with the sentiment here in general but there is a limit. Even if they launch this thing as early as possible the PS4 will be a three year old console by then. And it wasn't a console that was pushing the boundaries like the 360 was when it launched. The difference between being in the ballpark of the PS4 in late 2016 and falling well short won't be noticed in the final price.

For tech in general it's always the same. The example I always bring up is HDDs. For 3.5" drives now you'll struggle to find something smaller than 500GB. The 1TB drives are basically the same price so why would you get a 500GB drive anyways. 2TB drives are twice the amount of storage for 50% more so why not ey? Then the 4TB drives cost about 80% more which is kinda double so you get 2TB because it's more than you need anyway. Not unlike with console hardware. The difference between being about where the PS4 is three years after the PS4 and missing it entirely? Why not, it's basically the same price. It's that next jump in spec and more importantly the one after which will push the price up.

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Blast

Plateface wrote:

Why CAN'T they just go with something powerful, AND bring something innovative? They have the money, and the casual market has pretty much abandoned them. They made this mistake with the Wii U, thinking the masses would flock to its low price point, and they ended up choosing the more powerful, more expensive option.

Agreed!!!!!

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DefHalan

I am really leaning towards the NX being a Micro-Console. It will be the home of VC and smaller eShop titles but everything on the NX can be downloaded on the Wii U/3DS or their replacements. The NX could also be home to the Mobile games for console players. I would imagine the next Home Console and next Handheld would have a NX basically built in. But this is just my idea.

EDIT: It could also probably be used to stream from one system in one room to another room where the NX is.

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People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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napalmninja

@DefHalan: I think the NX will be the replacement to the Wii U, and possibly the 3DS. Between Metroid Primes director saying if he made Metroid Prime 4 it would be on NX, and the General Shareholders meeting, it seems like NX is going to be their focus. Especially the answer to question 7 here http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/stock/meeting/150626qa/03.html that to me says the NX is probably going to replace both.

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Octane

@napalmninja Kensuke Tanabe never said Metroid Prime will be on NX, he only stated that if they started development now, it would probably end up on NX.

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