Now you're assuming that nx already definitely is a portable. It's likely to be, yes, but it's not confirmed what it is. I think the quote was meant to be about nintendo having a console and smartphone, while not having a handheld anymore. That would still make the nx dedicated gaming hardware, just not the portable. All we know is that NX was announced to assure nintendo is still making dedicated gaming systems. The nature of that system is unknown.
That wasn't what I was saying. I was saying that the NX announcement was purely there to squash any suggestion that they are going out of the hardware game. Because the NX was going to be a dedicated piece of gaming hardware. So the suggestion that the NX is a home console and that they're dumping their portable entirely? It runs completely against that. Whatever the NX is I think it's clear that next generation they'll have something to replace the Wii U and something to replace the 3DS.
I'm not saying that the NX is 100% guaranteed a portable. It would make sense if it was and I'd be surprised if it wasn't but that doesn't mean it is. What I am saying is that everything they've said suggests that they're going to keep a portable console and a home console. They might end up with more than that, they might merge the two into a hybrid down the road. But there's no way they're not filling both of those niches based on what they've been saying. Especially not next generation immediately after the success of the 3DS.
Yeah, but having no portable and only a home console is still "dedicated gaming hardware". So console/smartphone is very much a possibility. Although I consider it unlikely too
Well it would be technically within what they've said. For sure. But it's go completely against the spirit of what they've been saying. It'd be like a kid taking one cookie from the tin and then, when asked, stating very clearly that they didn't take cookies from the tin
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"Don't stir the pot" is a nice way of saying "they're too dumb to reason with"
As everyone else has said, I'd rather Nintendo didn't sacrifice anything for the sake of backwards compatibility. I think the best option would be to launch it with a big VC catalogue which would provide some options for early investors, just get a few classics on there like Mario All-Stars, Mario 64, Ocarina and Super Metroid, and price them a bit more reasonably than they do currently.
I don't even think the console should use optical disks anymore, let alone PowerPC. Backwards compatibility should not be a concern. They need to be looking at creating a new product that is the best hardware possible to display/run their games (like when they built the N64). I hope they design the medium after the N64DD concept-- with the mechanical parts of the hdd to spin and read the disk built into the system and with the games on magnetic disks inside a superfloppy.
Nintendo can re-release deluxe editions of limited WiiU games like Mario Maker and MK8 (with all dlc, voice chat and death match arenas).
@BlueSkies No physical media for games would require the end users to have a cheap net connection (at least in terms of MBs transferred). Although not quite the same, it hasn't been that long since XBoxOne's "always online DRM" mess. Second, retail copies allow better price competition between stores as opposed to the one price in the eShop-equivalent. This benefits the end user. Third, NX should then actually have a sizable HDD or comparable inside it, which I kind of doubt after Wii and Wii U.
I suggested the games be sold on magnetic disks like the N64DD, not downloading games.
They should just port their biggest Wii U games (Zelda U, 3D world, Smash, MK8, etc) to the NX. Plenty of people would buy those games, as they probably won't reach anywhere near their true sales potential because theyre on a poorly selling system. So, assuming the NX appeals to consumer and takes off, there will be a market for ports of the great Wii U games. But the Wii U library overall isn't good enough to justify full-backwards compatibility.
I suggested the games be sold on magnetic disks like the N64DD, not downloading games.
Yeah, that's not going to happen. The 64DD was part a solution for reduced costs but mostly it was about being able to read/write. Being able to write to a disk? Not necessary if you have internal storage. Which they all do. Plus the improved performance vs optical media? Well... I'll post the numbers and you be the judge....
In the N64 days these were the options:
N64DD: 0.5-1MB/s
N64 Cartridge: 5-50MB/s
CD-ROM: 0.3MB/s
These days however, we have these:
Blu-Ray: ~30MB/s (With a drive like is in the Wii U/PS4/XBOne)
SD-Card: 20-80MB/s (probably not unlike the flash in the Wii U)
HDD: 60-100MB/s (for 2.5" drives such as those in the PS4/XBOne
SSD: 500MB/s+ (at this point it's bottlenecked by SATA)
Maybe for WiiU if they make eShop bought games playable. Like buying Metroid Prime Tri that works for WiiU and the NX being WiiU backwards compatible. I dunno. Throwing stuff out here.
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If it's a console/handheld hybrid like nintendolife suggested (and I do think that's a good way to go since nintendo's biggest successes have been handheld more consistently than console), then I don't see why the NX can't be both a 3DS XL and a gamepad for Wii u games and a new system all at the same time.
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If they will still continue to do portable. They might go for smartphone/console next time around. Remember, Nintendo is a quite small company. They don't have infinite resources.
You realise that they announced the NX specifically to counter this point...
Now you're assuming that nx already definitely is a portable. It's likely to be, yes, but it's not confirmed what it is. I think the quote was meant to be about nintendo having a console and smartphone, while not having a handheld anymore. That would still make the nx dedicated gaming hardware, just not the portable. All we know is that NX was announced to assure nintendo is still making dedicated gaming systems. The nature of that system is unknown.
Yes, this was exactly what I was thinking. mobile + home console. And E3 hasn't wavered my suspicion, rather strenghten it.
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Or maybe you could read the posts after that? Because the idea that they're going mobile does run entirely against what the NX announcement was about. It was deliberately a point about how they're not going third party. That slide where they showed the NX, 3DS and Wii U? It was there to further reinforce that.
Furthermore if you read further into Iwata's comments he does talk about the mobile ecosystem with envy. But he talks about how applications developed for phones are easily ported to tablets and even TVs. And how that's something he'd like to apply to their ecosystem. He explicitly replied when someone asked whether Nintendo would move to "one platform" that they'd rather do what Apple has done and have two or even THREE pieces of distinct hardware on a unified platform. If your theory isn't in-line with that? Then it ain't a good theory.
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"Don't stir the pot" is a nice way of saying "they're too dumb to reason with"
If they will still continue to do portable. They might go for smartphone/console next time around. Remember, Nintendo is a quite small company. They don't have infinite resources.
A small company? Nintendo has well over 5000 employees.
Anyway, if you mean that they might not make a handheld next gen, and just develop mobile games in their place, I can see that, though I would hope not. The dedicated handheld market DOES still exist as a niche market though, so Nintendo would be basically abandoning a market where they have a full monopoly.
However, if you mean they should make a smartphone, that'd be a big no-no. The Smartphone market is saturated as it is, and button controlled games are simply not taking off. As a company with zero experience in this area, making a smartphone would a surefire failure.
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They should just port their biggest Wii U games (Zelda U, 3D world, Smash, MK8, etc) to the NX.
I'm not sure why they would do that, that would definitely kill the impact of a new Smash and Mario Kart for their new home console. 3D World would be severel years old by that point, they're better off releasing a new Mario game.
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Or maybe you could read the posts after that? Because the idea that they're going mobile does run entirely against what the NX announcement was about. It was deliberately a point about how they're not going third party. That slide where they showed the NX, 3DS and Wii U? It was there to further reinforce that.
Furthermore if you read further into Iwata's comments he does talk about the mobile ecosystem with envy. But he talks about how applications developed for phones are easily ported to tablets and even TVs. And how that's something he'd like to apply to their ecosystem. He explicitly replied when someone asked whether Nintendo would move to "one platform" that they'd rather do what Apple has done and have two or even THREE pieces of distinct hardware on a unified platform. If your theory isn't in-line with that? Then it ain't a good theory.
In the same interview Iwata also says that they will not do mobile games. Things change.
If they will still continue to do portable. They might go for smartphone/console next time around. Remember, Nintendo is a quite small company. They don't have infinite resources.
A small company? Nintendo has well over 5000 employees.
Anyway, if you mean that they might not make a handheld next gen, and just develop mobile games in their place, I can see that, though I would hope not. The dedicated handheld market DOES still exist as a niche market though, so Nintendo would be basically abandoning a market where they have a full monopoly.
However, if you mean they should make a smartphone, that'd be a big no-no. The Smartphone market is saturated as it is, and button controlled games are simply not taking off. As a company with zero experience in this area, making a smartphone would a surefire failure.
No, they shouldn't make a smartphone, and yes, 5000 isn't that big. Not for a company that is global. Sonys gaming division has 8000, but they have an entire concern behind their back including an entire distribution chain.
Still, I am not sure if the form factor (the size and configuration of the hardware) will be integrated. In contrast, the number of form factors might increase. Currently, we can only provide two form factors because if we had three or four different architectures, we would face serious shortages of software on every platform. To cite a specific case, Apple is able to release smart devices with various form factors one after another because there is one way of programming adopted by all platforms. Apple has a common platform called iOS. Another example is Android. Though there are various models, Android does not face software shortages because there is one common way of programming on the Android platform that works with various models. The point is, Nintendo platforms should be like those two examples. Whether we will ultimately need just one device will be determined by what consumers demand in the future, and that is not something we know at the moment. However, we are hoping to change and correct the situation in which we develop games for different platforms individually and sometimes disappoint consumers with game shortages as we attempt to move from one platform to another, and we believe that we will be able to deliver tangible results in the future.
And the only bit about "mobile software" in that meeting was as a reference to this:
We will use a small, select team of developers to achieve it. Also, we recognize that attracting consumers’ attention among the myriads of mobile applications is not easy, and as I said before, we feel that simply releasing our games just as they are on smart devices would not provide the best entertainment for smart devices, so we are not going to take any approach of this nature. Having said that, however, in the current environment surrounding smart devices, we feel that we will not be able to gain the support of many consumers unless we are able to provide something truly valuable that is unique to Nintendo. Accordingly, I have not given any restrictions to the development team, even not ruling out the possibility of making games or using our game characters. However, if you report that we will release Mario on smart devices, it would be a completely misleading statement. It is our intention to release some application on smart devices this year that is capable of attracting consumer attention and communicating the value of our entertainment offerings, so I would encourage you to see how our approach yields results.
That was a year ago, nothing he said there has changed. Saying that they won't "simply release games just as they are" isn't the same as saying "we're not doing mobile games". Infact nothing he has said since then goes against that. What he's saying there is that they won't be releasing Mario, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Pokemon, Zelda and so on for mobile as they already exist. Instead we'll get stuff that's more suited to the platform.
And then in that same meeting he explicitly says that they are interested in developing a unified platform. Not necessarily a single platform, maybe even more than the two they already have. And again, nothing they have said since rules that out either. Infact the announcement of the NX was, as I said, specifically there to rule out the idea that they're abandoning their dedicated hardware platforms. Which includes portables. So I say it again, what you're saying would go completely against that.
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