@Socar
We don't know what the NX is yet. You're jumping to all sorts of conclusions based on what is effectively just a codename at this point. The only thing that has changed is that they are no-longer launching mid-cycle. They're not launching mid-cycle because there are no cycles anymore. Which is something I've been saying for quite a while now.
Hell, we don't even know the price points of these higher spec machines. We certainly don't know how well they're going to sell (or not sell). We don't know where in the spectrum of current-gen machines the NX is going to sit. For all we know there could be more than one NX in the same way there is now more than one PS4 and XBOne. The rule book has been just torn up and you want to be bold enough to make predictions about who is going to "lose"? You're braver than I am.
The more I read about Nx and the next line of next gen consoles the less I am interested in. I am still quite curious what the NX will be and what kind of games Nintendo will bring out - but I think I will wait at least a year and see for myself. My backlog has been constantly growing as I still play mostly MK8 online and will probably purchase Zelda on wii u. I dont really care who is winning or losing the console battle.
Of course it can. Scorpio is powerful, but it'll come with a hefty price tag, the real question is, can it compete against the XOne S? Still, if Nintendo markets and prices the NX accordingly, they have a chance. The power isn't the biggest problem, marketing and price are (and games of course).
If that is the problem, then why does Nintendo have a hard time with third parties then?
Maybe I should've elaborated; As long as it's as powerful as the XOne or PS4, power doesn't really matter. Since any game running on the PS4 NEO and Scorpio are required to run on PS4 and XOne as well, they should also be able to run on NX. Of course, that's also assuming that Nintendo will have a platform that is easy to develop for; for example an x86 processor and the option of a regular control scheme.
The problem with the Wii U was that it wasn't easy to develop for. That isn't a huge problem when you have a huge install base; third parties will follow if there's money to be made, but that wasn't the case for Wii U. Then there's also the fact that Sony and MS seem to be working much closer with third parties to bring their games over to their consoles. I'm cautiously optimistic; It all depends on what the NX is though.
Absolutely not. The NX will be nowhere near, and I think we could all safely bet our lives on that. This Scorpio and NEO will run alongside XBOX1 and PS4 and that's where the NX will compete.
Imagine Nintendo coming out saying there next console is $500!!!!
I don't know what a damn Terror flop is, or care in fact, but I know Mario kart doesn't need 6 of em to run
I wonder where are all the doom about MS? I mean, they have confirmed their next console, and it will be out exactly four years after the one. I mean, we have heard time and time again that it would destroy nintendo if they had released NX just four year after the launch of Wii U.
And by the same measure here are some PC GPUs that are "recommended" for a few resolutions:
1080p with the settings down: 1.5 TFLOPS
1080p with settings maxed out: 2.5 TFLOPS
4K with the settings down: 6 TFLOPS
4K with the settings maxed out: 8 TFLOPS
So IMO there's not much need to push it as far as Scorpio unless they're targeting 4K. It's literally wasted GPU horsepower on a 1080p screen. If they're aiming for 1080p? Going a bit above the PS4 as it is but still well under the Neo? That's more than fine. And with this huge jump in GPU specs recently I wouldn't be at all surprised if the NX was more powerful than the PS4.
I wonder where are all the doom about MS? I mean, they have confirmed their next console, and it will be out exactly four years after the one. I mean, we have heard time and time again that it would destroy nintendo if they had released NX just four year after the launch of Wii U.
Microsoft has basically changed their strategy for XBox. It's not a piece of hardware anymore, it's a platform to deliver software. That's it. The fact that there are new SKUs means nothing to the install base if the same content is available across both.
The issue with the transition from NX to Wii U is/was that it made the Wii U look obsolete. Why would you buy into a platform that's not going to get any games next year? With the XBOne at least we know that there are still games coming out. Same deal with the PS4.
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"Don't stir the pot" is a nice way of saying "they're too dumb to reason with"
And by the same measure here are some PC GPUs that are "recommended" for a few resolutions:
1080p with the settings down: 1.5 TFLOPS
1080p with settings maxed out: 2.5 TFLOPS
4K with the settings down: 6 TFLOPS
4K with the settings maxed out: 8 TFLOPS
So IMO there's not much need to push it as far as Scorpio unless they're targeting 4K. It's literally wasted GPU horsepower on a 1080p screen. If they're aiming for 1080p? Going a bit above the PS4 as it is but still well under the Neo? That's more than fine. And with this huge jump in GPU specs recently I wouldn't be at all surprised if the NX was more powerful than the PS4.
Phil Spencer said at the end of the E3 conference that Microsoft is targeting 4K gaming with Scorpio.
@Grumblevolcano
I should've been clearer. The Scorpio only makes sense because it's targeting 4K and it's a decent spec for a machine that's targeting 4K. If you have a 1080p TV and don't intend to upgrade to 4K then there's not really much point buying that SKU. So I don't think the NX needs to be anywhere near as powerful as that because the vast, vast majority are still playing games on 1080p TVs.
Oh dear - my main TV doesn't even manage 1080p. Could someone point me in the direction of the way out please?
What I feel at this stage, having heard about the new MS/Sony consoles, is that Nintendo could do with a really, really good... gimmick, and a couple of those blue oceans I've been hearing about. Very big, and very blue.
The NX is looking like it's going to have to do a Wii i.e. offer the public something a little different, and at a reduced cost to get those units flying off the shelves like Wii did.
Unless Nintendo is prepared to see NX sell poorly, but take the hit to try and re-establish itself as a Power Player for the longer term (which I don't think it will want to risk that), then it seems pointless trying to compete with Neo and Scorpio.
VR is not 'for the masses' yet, I don't think, so while it will be worthwhile offering a budget VR as an option on NX, I think NX still needs something different, a unique selling point at a low price.
Having said all of the above (oh no, look, I'm on a ramble now), I can't see the Scorpio fairing very well. The XBone has been struggling to sell, despite being offered pretty cheaply, and from what I hear it doesn't really offer enough unique experiences. Couple that with the announcement that Scorpio is coming, but not until end of 2017, isn't going to do the Xbox brand much good, and Neo will have released before it (I think) to a customer base that is bigger and happier with the Sony offerings.
@Therad The Scorpio sounds like a New 3DS type situation though (same with PS4 Neo). If NX was infact a New Wii U then everything would be fine.
Good point!
If the Nx would be an enhanced wii u - fully backwards compatible with wii and wii u games - things would be great. But apparently its not - wii u titles are rumoured to being remastered. So, essentially you are buying a completely new system and have to pay again if you want to play mario kart 8 on that system.
I have about 50 wii/wii u titles - if my wii u breaks then I have to buy another one as I cant play those games on the nx.
In this regard sony and microsoft are making the right moves. Nintendo does not. They are basically trying to match the current consoles, and when they do, sony and microsoft will have moved on, into which the nx cannot even dream to compete.
The arguement that scorpio games will have to run on regular xbox ones seems nice - but still, I think we will see games made specifically for scorpio which xbox one one wont be able to run.
Just for somewhat of a general idea of where all of these consoles stand relative to each other. In terms of horsepower and the time they launched or will launch. Because you can't ignore the fact that GPUs get better every year.
The NX launching at a spec under the XBOne? Relatively speaking it'd be about the same spec as what the Wii U had. Follow that black line, that's when the NX launches. So you can see how easy it is to get the XBOne spec. It's a similar deal with the PS4 spec.
Project Scorpio is impressive but only in the same sense that the PS4 spec was 18 months before it launched. The difference is that the PS4 spec was a game changer for 1080p gaming. Project Scorpio kinda does a similar thing to 4K. The issue is, how many people are going to have a 4K TV by the end of next year? Microsoft and Sony are taking a gamble that 4K and VR will matter in 2017 and beyond. For them it might pay off. I just don't think Nintendo has to do the same
@skywake Do you see the NX having the same power as Scorpio? Because making that kind of power would be insanely expensive for Nintendo since they always want to make affordable hardware. Its obvious that the NX can't be a 4K system or even reach to the specs of PS4 and Xbox ONE for that matter.
Why are you saying that we don't know of the NX specs when its obvious that there's no way that the NX will have 4K?
Judging from the graph and Nintendo's continued mentality that power is not important, around or less than XB1 seems a pretty reasonable guess for the NX. Returning to the blue ocean strategy I'd imagine.
@Socar
I never said what I think the spec of the NX was and I certainly didn't say I expect them to match Project Scorpio. All I said was that we don't know much at this point. Then when I listed the things we didn't know it was mostly about what we don't know about Project Scorpio and PS4 Neo. We don't know how much it's going to cost and we don't know how well they're going to sell. So making predictions about how the NX is going to compete? It's a bit early I reckon.
Especially given that we still don't know precicely what the NX is. Is it less powerful than the XBOne? Is it closer to the PS4? Maybe it's a little bit above the PS4. For all we know by the time Project Scorpio launches Nintendo could have two NX SKUs in the same way that Microsoft and Sony have done. We really have no idea.
If you want me to make a prediction? Then fine. I think the NX will be somewhere in the ballpark of the PS4/XBOne spec but cost competitive with the XBOne S. It'll have a refinement of the Wii U GamePad concept as its main gimmick and if it does well it'll be because of exclusive content. And my other prediction is that I will be completely wrong because Nintendo are impossible to predict
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"Don't stir the pot" is a nice way of saying "they're too dumb to reason with"
Nintendo on cheaper hardware and no 4k support while scorpio has all that 4k stuff gives them equal opportunity in available game complexity because the power is used for the fancy 4k-ness. It's the "not hd yet" all over again.
However, hd > 4k is less of a leap than sd > hd was. I can see nintendo passing on 4k for cost and scale benefits. The hardware cycle is gone, I agree with that one. The system you'll have will play the same games as the next, up until it just isn't compatible anymore.
Combine this with scalable game development technology and all of a sudden we're looking at a level ecosystem. If nintendo runs the next few years out they'll rise to the top on their exclusive ip alone.
4K TVs are pretty cheap now, any body going to buy a new main household TV will more than likely get a 4K.
It's quite clever of Sony and Microsoft to launch these MEGA consoles, as like PC gaming you can have just enough power to run the new games coming out with PS4, (all be it with a struggle sometimes) or you can upgrade and go with all out power with NEO. Either way the games work and there will be consumers for both high and low end. Although I don't believe a FIFA and COD only gamer, for which there are millions of them will upgrade for the sake of better textures.
And by the time the PS4 standard gets too old, in say 3 years time, the NEO will become the standard model and the NEO2 will become the high end machine. Which must be good for development of games surely.
Nintendo is different.
What they have is the games and experience and absolutely no need to compete, a bit like owning a mobile phone or owning an IPhone, the apple brand almost makes the IPHONE sound like something different from a mobile phone which it's not really, it's just apples quirky features that stand out, a bit like Nintendos IP !
So I pray the comparisons stop, just let Nintendo do there thing and it will be the magic not the power that will get Nintendo back selling consoles again
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