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Topic: Why can't Nintendo make their own mobile phone instead of releasing games on IOS & Android?

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Socar

@Octane: You still don't get it.

What reason would people want to buy the main consoles if there is the cheap alternative for that? Pokemon Go is an example of those mobile gamers overconfident that the main Pokemon series could be on Mobile and like I said, There's no reason why Pokemon shouldn't be exclusive to dedicated gaming ones at all.

Which is why having mobile features on the next portable system is the best option. It'll be affordable, there's no reason to increase the price unless more advanced models come in and best of all, its mobile. So devs can be more encouraged to release games on Nintendo's system even more than now.

Localizing the cards for FE isn't enough. They basically have to do the same thing like how they did for Pokemon which is making an endless show, cards, comics etc. Those are what made Pokemon HUGE unlike mobile which doesn't.

@skywake keeps mentioning that Advance wars is great for mobile. You realize that its a niche game series right? I'm willing to bet that its a forgotten series by now and its nowhere even memorable than F-Zero even.

I know Nintendo is planning theme parks but so far, we don't know where its located and what the theme parks are. All we know that its just a partnership between Nintendo and Universal. The rest is unknown.

I want to support Nintendo throughout my life even if it means getting mobile games. But the issue here is that mobile isn't a dedicated gaming system. It is simply a phone. You can't use much features on a phone unless you have 3G in it in which case, people are willing to spend extra money just so they get extra features.

Gaming buttons with the phone being the main one just proves that people will easily buy it.

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skywake

Let's (again) make this simple.

Home Console (and PC):
Anything and everything. From basic puzzle games to massive open world RPGs.

Portable consoles:
The same as the home console but with two main limitations. People should be able to put the game down at any time. Typically play sessions are <20mins. Also the spec is limited.

Mobile:
Same limits as with portables but with extra limitations. Typically a play session is <5mins. Also no buttons so action and fighting games are out. But for that you get a large audience.

A smart game publisher/dev will use all three where appropriate.

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Octane

@Socar: There's no cheap alternative. Pokémon GO or Pokémon Shuffle isn't anything like the main games. Do you really think that Pokémon fans will stop buying games and think ''Well, Pokémon GO is free, so that'll do.''? We won't get a watered down Pokémon game or a watered down Mario platformer on mobile. They're going to be different experiences, so nobody will expect the main series to appear on mobile. What they do; however, is increase brand awareness.

Octane

jump

Socar wrote:

It is simply a phone. You can't use much features on a phone unless you have 3G in it in which case, people are willing to spend extra money just so they get extra features.

Gaming buttons with the phone being the main one just proves that people will easily buy it.

Do people actually buy phones? Most people only buy a phone if it's a cheap burner as a back up when they go to music festivals and things like that otherwise everyone I know gets their phone with their contract.

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Aviator

Socar wrote:

@skywake keeps mentioning that Advance wars is great for mobile. You realize that its a niche game series right? I'm willing to bet that its a forgotten series by now and its nowhere even memorable than F-Zero even.

Actually, you keep on mentioning it.

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skywake

@Aviator: To be fair there was another thread where ideas for Nintendo mobile games were discussed. Advance Wars was mentioned by a number of people. I defended the idea when a certain person vocally disagreed with... well every idea. But Advance Wars in particular for some reason....

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Socar

@skywake: That still doesn't explain why Nintendo can't make a phone at all.

Also, you just ranted that advance wars on phone is worth having because its something that players won't mind playing more than 5 minutes yet you're saying that phone games should last five minutes. I don't know about you but I played FFT on phone and I spent hours playing it out of frustration most of the time.

Sure, you can say that its a port based on the main console game but I even played the likes of Candy Crush which takes more than five minutes if you beat it without microtransactions since the game is designed to force you to play instead of play.

@Octane: Technically, Pokemon Go is a cheap alternative. Think about it, you explore around using augmented reality, you catch pokemon based on real life location and you battle players around the world. The only thing that you can't do is that you can't get gym badges and battle the champion along with the elite four and go to the pokemon center and the rest of the fictional universe of pokemon, that's it.

What is it that will make those users want to move over to the dedicated pokemon series when Pokemon Go literally makes it easier to catch and battle pokemon? Can you do all of that in Pokemon Y, with the exception of agumented reality, yes you can. But, its price is a bit up unlike the cheap phone game.

Now let's just say that those who play Pokemon Go like the game. Will it motivate them to like the series? Sure, why not. But will it tempt them to buy a hardware to get the software? Doubtful.

If there are people out there that can't afford such stuff but have a mobile, what oh what would make them get that in the first place. They'd just be fine with the way Nintendo makes cheap phone games instead of luring them to get the dedicated hardware to play their main software.

Honestly, the more I think about it, the more I feel that Nintendo might want to release this on the 3DS instead of the phone simply because it can make use of its features. Does anyone ever bother to use those AR cards anymore?

@arronishere: Yeah, I honestly don't get why people still think that its mandatory to have a phone when you can easily get a booth is beyond me.

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skywake

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jump

Socar wrote:

Yeah, I honestly don't get why people still think that its mandatory to have a phone when you can easily get a booth is beyond me.

Booth...as in phone booth?

***looks at my watch to make sure it's not the 70's anymore but my mobile has made the watch redundant like the phone booth***

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jump

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It's a shame the new forum still can't upvote posts.

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DefHalan

skywake wrote:

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This needs more up votes lol

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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Octane

Socar wrote:

Octane: Technically, Pokemon Go is a cheap alternative. Think about it, you explore around using augmented reality, you catch pokemon based on real life location and you battle players around the world. The only thing that you can't do is that you can't get gym badges and battle the champion along with the elite four and go to the pokemon center and the rest of the fictional universe of pokemon, that's it.

What is it that will make those users want to move over to the dedicated pokemon series when Pokemon Go literally makes it easier to catch and battle pokemon? Can you do all of that in Pokemon Y, with the exception of agumented reality, yes you can. But, its price is a bit up unlike the cheap phone game.

Now let's just say that those who play Pokemon Go like the game. Will it motivate them to like the series? Sure, why not. But will it tempt them to buy a hardware to get the software? Doubtful.

If there are people out there that can't afford such stuff but have a mobile, what oh what would make them get that in the first place. They'd just be fine with the way Nintendo makes cheap phone games instead of luring them to get the dedicated hardware to play their main software.

Honestly, the more I think about it, the more I feel that Nintendo might want to release this on the 3DS instead of the phone simply because it can make use of its features. Does anyone ever bother to use those AR cards anymore?

So.. it's nothing like the actual Pokémon games, no breeding, no EVs/IVs, no TMs/HMs, no story mode, probably not 700+ Pokémon either. And that's assuming you can actually train and battle with the Pokémon you caught in Pokémon GO. I can assure you, Pokémon GO won't be a game that's played at tournaments. It's not a watered down Pokémon game, is a completely different experience. It feels as if I've said this a thousand times already, so I'm not sure why I even bother with repeating the same argument.

Octane

Socar

@Octane: And why are you so positive that Pokemon GO won't be a substitute for those who don't have the main pokemon games just because of the ones that you mentioned? You do realize that all that can still be on the phone and doesn't require much of technical problems to deal with right?

@skywake: So the fact that your positive means that I have to be insulted when its possible for Nintendo to make both a phone and a handheld? Ok fine, i get it. I'm too dumb to understand why Nintendo making a phone or abandoning the gaming console world isn't gonna happen at all.

Fine I get it. Anything that I try to argue about makes no sense whatsoever. If I say that Amiibo isn't a cash grab, people rant about it. If I say that Nintendo is fine as of now, people rant about it.

Fine, I get it. You can lock the thread since its not going to benefit anyone here one bit.

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DefHalan

@Socar: Why would Nintendo devote so much to mobile if, as you have said, it is so unlikely for them to profit on mobile?

People keep saying the Xbox One doesn't have Backwards Compatibility.
I don't think they know what Backwards Compatibility means...

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Octane

Socar wrote:

@Octane: And why are you so positive that Pokemon GO won't be a substitute for those who don't have the main pokemon games just because of the ones that you mentioned? You do realize that all that can still be on the phone and doesn't require much of technical problems to deal with right?

Pick an argument, I have no idea whether you're trying to argue that Pokémon GO won't bring over new people to Nintendo hardware or that because of Pokémon GO people expect a main Pokémon game on mobile.

Octane

Aviator

skywake wrote:

@Aviator: To be fair there was another thread where ideas for Nintendo mobile games were discussed. Advance Wars was mentioned by a number of people. I defended the idea when a certain person vocally disagreed with... well every idea. But Advance Wars in particular for some reason....

Oh don't worry, I remember that.

Since then though you're name has been dragged by Artwark, though that doesn't mean much.

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@Socar
I never meant to insult you or imply that you were dumb. If me simply disagreeing with you has caused you to think that then might I ask what do expect to happen? Do you expect people to just agree with you?

If you want to argue something as radical as Nintendo abandoning their portable line and making their own line of phones you better have a good argument. People aren't going to be convinced of that even if you do have a coherent argument. So you better be ready to defend it. If you can't defend it? That doesn't automatically mean that everybody has it in for you. It could just as easily mean that you don't have a particularly good argument.

Lets just ignore the software/marketing argument for a second and just look at the hardware. Basically what you're suggesting is that Nintendo should make a portable/mobile hybrid. People have argued that Nintendo should make a portable/home console hybrid and I have the same issue there. You'll end up with a product that's not good as either one or both of those things. A portable/home console hybrid would be an underpowered home console and expensive portable. A portable/mobile hybrid would end up as an expensive portable and clunky mobile.

The devices that populate these niches are very good at what they do. They're finely tuned to be precisely what that particular market wants. Trying to be two things at once? You're inevitably going to be not as good at either. So what is the advantage for Nintendo or us if this was to happen? Why have you not addressed that issue? It is after all your argument.

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Therad

It seems to be a misunderstanding in this thread about what a smartphone is. A smartphone isn't really a phone, it is a highly customizable computer, a PC in pocket format if you will. It just happens to also have phone capabilities. So nintendo doesn't just have to add phone capabilities, they also have to have all the bells and whistles that other phones have + developer support. The easiest way to do this would be an android based phone.

But what would they gain by doing this? Why try a high-risk, low-margin approach when it is much much cheaper to just try out some games in the existing mobile market? A market that is shipping 1,4 Billion units a year.

Therad

skywake

@Therad:
I think it's fair to say that mobile connectivity is the least of the differences between a 3DS/Vita and an iOS/Android device. Even before you get started you have to acknowledge that there are WiFi only iPads and Vitas with 3G. I also don't think the difference between the two is necessarily in the hardware either.

Generally the main difference is that portable consoles are designed for playing games. From start to finish they're built with that in mind. As opposed to "mobile" devices which can do games but aren't built with that in mind. A tablet or smartphone isn't built to be great at anything, it's built to be ok at everything.

So in that context effectively what OP is asking is:
"Why can't Nintendo make more portable systems and just ignore mobile entirely?"

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CM30

The reason Nintendo don't make their own mobile phone is because the smartphone market is just too different from what they're used to, and they'd likely struggle to compete in it. For one thing, they'd need to really change up the interface design stuff, given how the Wii U and 3DS still look like their menus were designed about 10 years ago. They'd have to figure out how to get deals going with various phone companies and service providers, which could be a challenge for a company without much experience in this market. They'd have to completely move away from their 'think of the children' attitude and accept that phones are made for communication purposes, and that texts and phone calls have to be completely unmoderated, and that various messaging apps will have to be available for the platform. And then there's the shop thing. They'd need to get companies on board developing apps for the system, which will be an issue because the iPhone and Android phones have billions of users and hence a larger market to target stuff to. Otherwise they'd likely go the same way as Microsoft with Windows Phone.

And then there's the other cultural issue, that they'd need to lower their standards for apps significantly and be willing to ignore any ethical issues brought up by the most popular ones. Cause people won't be too happy if the likes of Candy Crush Saga aren't available on the system.

Basically, they'd have to go in a tough market filled with much richer competitors, start offering a product they have no experience in making and then make the necessary cultural changes to do well in this market. That's a tough ask for them.

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