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day

http://kotaku.com/xenoblade-chronicles-x-the-kotaku-import-pr...

okay, so dude calls the game boring, but then replies to comment below saying he found the first one boring too... well wth ever happened to full disclosure?

i'll keep coming to NL for my reviews; haven't yet found a single problem in all of them i've gone through.

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gcunit

I think the reviewer justifies his position. I too found the battles monotonous in XC, and so to read his opinion that XCX has much less plot than XC does make me wonder what I would get out of this new game.

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Geonjaha

What are you doing on Kotaku? That's just asking to see something stupid.

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CaviarMeths

It's a preview, not a review. And yes, he disclosed that he didn't like the first game either.

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Why review a series entry when you hate the gameplay style it uses?That's hardly ever going to get you an objective review without any bias. That's like me hating puzzle games and then reviewing Tetris, or not liking turn based combat and labeling it as "archaic", or even playing a 2D platformer and calling it archaic because I only like 3D platformers. No, that's not how reviewing should work. If someone has a particular hatred for a certain kind of game or gameplay style, they just shouldn't review the game because they already knew how they would feel about it before even playing it since they KNEW it would have the specific gameplay style that they dislike. I mean, let's say I hate spoons, then I decide to go out and buy a new spoon and review it. If I already dislike the product itself becuase its not my thing, of course I'm not going to like it. People aren't going to take my review seriously in any way shape or form, and scrutiny will ensue.

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ThePirateCaptain

BlatantlyHeroic wrote:

Why review a series entry when you hate the gameplay style it uses?That's hardly ever going to get you an objective review without any bias. That's like me hating puzzle games and then reviewing Tetris, or not liking turn based combat and labeling it as "archaic", or even playing a 2D platformer and calling it archaic because I only like 3D platformers. No, that's not how reviewing should work. If someone has a particular hatred for a certain kind of game or gameplay style, they just shouldn't review the game because they already knew how they would feel about it before even playing it since they KNEW it would have the specific gameplay style that they dislike.

I agree with what you're saying, but doesn't this problem affect those who have a bais towards a certain genre as well? Say the reviewer was a huge fan of JRPG's and reviewed Xenoblade. They would be more inclined to like it because they like that particular genre.

I'm not trying to say bias is a good thing, but people need to understand that it works both ways. All opinions are subjective, so you're never going to get an objective review. Every review is influenced by the reviewer's own biases.

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nacho_chicken

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Even if the reviewer is correct and the Japanese version is boring, it does not mean the game will not be tweaked before releasing in the other countries. They may be able to speed up quest and rate you level up and earn your mech.

This has happened before. Final fantasy comes to mind with one of the ffxiii games was like this I believe.

Except it's generally getting 9's and 10's across the board in Japan, by people who also finished the game. His opinion is an outlier. An outlier that should be considered for those who disliked its predecessor, or who dislike RPGs, but it is not to be taken as the general consensus.

Topic: Negative Kotaku Review of Xenoblade X
Article: "Xenoblade Chronicles X: The Kotaku Import Preview"

This topic is fanboy-rage generating clickbait, just like the Kotaku article. Why does this topic even exist when we have the Xenoblade X discussion topic, which is at this very moment discussing the same subject?

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day

i got no problem with him reviewing a game in which he doesn't like the precursor, but not to excer ise journalistic integrity and state that in the article (or an update to it) is just wrong. i've read ao many articles here in NL that say "but hey," and disclose some-such-thing or another that the reader would care to know about the reviewer's perspective. it's one of the reasons i keep coming back.

i just wanted to make sure that before the article floated about, and people faced the dashing of their hopes, they knew the truth of the matter. you know, getting ahead of it.

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Dezzy

I'm pretty sure that's not what's meant by full disclosure.

I don't really see that big a problem with this whole having people review the game who don't like it phenomena. Surely the point of reviews is to give a sample of the variety of opinions from the population (which it already fails at because people who go into gaming media aren't representative in lots of ways). If you deliberately choose people to review something who actually like the game, you're inflating it's natural score.
It's surely far better to have a random staff member review a game.

Of course that's entirely separate from the claim that sites like Kotaku and Polygon do this sort of thing deliberately for the outrage clicks, which might well be true. They're pretty weird people!

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day

nacho_chicken wrote:

This topic is fanboy-rage ...

relax dude, you got me completely wrong. just doing what i can. that's all.

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I am not so sure a thread bashing another site is a great idea. :/

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Peach64

Reviews are just opinions. There's no game that's universally liked, so any game can have a negative review. I don't think it's a major shock that people who didn't like the first game won't like this one.

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day

well, it wasn't supposed to be bashing, but i can see how it's being taken that way.

point was: review didn't fully disclose the biases of the reviewer; and if NL was going to pick it up, it was a good idea to get that info out there.

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nacho_chicken

day wrote:

nacho_chicken wrote:

This topic is fanboy-rage ...

relax dude, you got me completely wrong. just doing what i can. that's all.

I realize you may have good intentions, but It's just fanning the fires that had already cooled off in the main discussion topic. Plus, what does this topic provide other than meaningless discussion about review/preview ethics, which was apparently not the purpose of this topic?

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