Topic: Wrestling Fans Unite!

As if they will actually let CM Punk leave WWE with the title. For cryin out loud they wouldnt let Bret Hart leave with it years ago. Is this the best storyline that WWE can come up with this is just sad.

Dear WWE,
Re: some 3 hour abomination tonight.

F You.
Seriously. F. You.

Love,
the Shpydar.

I thought the triple threat between Rey,Punk and Del Rio was a really good match. Outside of that blah...

I knew there was no way the fans voted Mason Ryan over Sin Cara to face Evan Bourne turns out I was right.

http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/wwe-gra...a-bourne-match

In light of unfortunate technical problems that definitively generated an inaccurate voting result in Evan Bourne's match during Raws: Power to the People, WWE is making it up to you, the WWE Universe, and Sin Cara, the masked Superstar whom you voted to have compete against Bourne.

This Monday night on Raw, Sin Cara will get the opportunity he deserved, and the match you demanded, as he will face Evan Bourne in the ring in Las Vegas.

The decision to make this match stems from technical issues with the vote tabulating provider’s system, which became flooded with so many votes from the previous poll - choosing an opponent for the Divas Title Match - that the vote tabulation spilled into the next poll, which determined Bourne's opponent. It appeared that you had voted for Mason Ryan, who shared the same option entry (B) as Kelly Kelly from the previous poll, until it was later discovered that Sin Cara had actually received 90 percent of the total votes in WWE.com's Live Chat poll.

Wait, you don't really think your votes did anything did you? They still needed to choreograph the match, they're not gonna let fans choose a random person to "compete" --the chances someone could actually get hurt would be astronomical. Voting = scam.

I am sure that its preplanned the voting, I woulnt necessary call it a scam. I mean come on would they really have the title switch on a random vote?

Most matches aren't "choreographed" as a whole. Some of the important spots are planned, as well as the finish and any storyline-related happenings, but most wrestlers call their matches in the ring when it comes to specific moves. If you're thinking that the wrestlers run through their entire matches before a show, that's just simply not accurate. Some wrestlers have been known to meticulously plan out each move for a match (DDP was notorious for this), but that's not usually the case.

@Tasuki
A Diva's Title switch. And yes, i can absolutely see them doing that on the fly — or rather, it was likely booked as "whoever wins the fan vote will go over and win the title", or it was planned as "If Kelly wins the vote she goes over, if Eve wins the vote she doesn't go over, if Beth wins the vote we say it's voter error because obviously no one actually wants to see a good women's wrestler on the TV."

In all honesty, they don't really need to rig the votes since the options they give are so stupid they basically corral voters into picking the one they (WWE) would prefer gets chosen (i mean come on, the ME options were 20-minute time limit, one fall finish and elimination match --- gee, i wonder which one voters were going to pick?)

The only thing on the entire show that was worth anything was the Punk-Del Rio-Mysterio match. The Ziggler-Kofi match was okay, but very sloppy in spots and the ME was so painfully predictable, right down to the closing shot of Cena and Orton posing with their respective titles.

This. They have a basic plan going in to a match and the out come is predetermined obviously but everything else is left up to the guys working the match. Evan Bourne had faced everyone in the poll before it's not like he would have been thrown in with some random person. I know he has never faced Sin Cara on TV but I have no doubt they have faced each other in dark matches.

Classic!

Matches are choreographed, it's not a dirty word, it just is, saying they do spots is saying the same thing, it's all preplanned. Also, I don't mean scam like in a malicious sorta way, but seriously, I doubt they would risk their talent with having them face random opponents, stipulations on the other hand, they're just whatever..., not hard to fake really and I can swear they even had guys running through all of the different stipulations in one match last time they did this. I mean, sorry to shatter anyone's thoughts on how this works, I mean, I guess it's nice to feel included, but the actuality is that all your text messaged votes were for nothing for anyone who contributed to voting.

My point on the "choreographed" thing was that matches are not planned the way you had described. They don't do "dress rehearsal matches" (for lack of a better way to describe it, lol) before they perform in front of the fans. Typically, the wrestlers will talk before the match and get an idea of what they want to do, but call the spots during the match. Some guys who have worked together many times will just go out there cold, since they know each other well enough to be able to call the whole thing during the match (again, except for the finish, or any important high spots/storyline-injury related moves).

They're not "risking" anything — if they had guys on the roster who couldn't go with anyone else on the roster, they wouldn't be on TV in the first place. You're really overthinking it — yes, we all know wrestling is pre-determined and many moves are staged (in the same sense as a "stage-punch" in tv or theatre, or in knowing how to land right from a high-spot, etc), but my point is that the matches are simply not as meticulously planned out as you originally suggested.

As far as the voting all being staged, well it's certainly possible, but not likely. What would be the motivation? As i said, they corral the voters into choosing what WWE wants anyway, and it's not like the voting gimmick like this EVER pops a rating. They'd even potentially be skirting close to consumer fraud, if people are paying text message rates for something that means nothing. Frankly, i don't really care as i never vote in these things anyway since they are so pointless.

Here's one instance where they're doing a dress rehearsal match, I've seen others, ones with recent stars as well. ...I'd rather not continue to mention the staged-voting because I dislike sounding like a broken record since we're obviously not good at convincing one another on our points (lack of motive vs. wrestlers being able to properly protect one another) and are just restating our points over and over, so I'm gonna drop the discussion and you can believe what you want to believe. I'm not trying to start an argument of any sort nor am I trying to convince you that you're wrong and that I'm right.
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Got around to watching this years WM and obviously Taker and HHH stole the show but I thought Punk vs Orton and Rhodes vs Rey were pretty good as well.

The rest of it was just decent.

@Splat: Yep the Taker/Triple H fight was the best but what do you expect from those two. The Edge/Del Rio match could have been better especially since that was Edge's last match. Of course at the time I watched it I didnt know it was his last match till Raw the next night.

Chavo Guerrero is no longer with WWE.

WHAT????

http://www.examiner.com/fight-sports-in-national/chavo-guerre...

"Yes, it's true. My release is the big news I was talking about. But let's get something straight. I asked for my release. I was just tired. Of not being used correctly. Just cuz u can make other ppl look good, doesn't mean they should just have u lose to them. I was not happy in WWE anymore. I had a smile on my face last night though when I got my release though!"

"I will never go back to the place WWE put me in. I will never go back to being underutilized and watching ppl who suck get bigger "pushes" Than me! My hands were tied most of the time. It's time for me to start being a Guerrero again, and start kicking ass again, be able to tell stories in the ring like u know we can. I love u all and can't wait for the future!! So happy. "

I have to agree with him there. They pushed Rey Myesterio and now Sin Cara but since Eddie died they done nothing with Chavo. I am glad for him. Probably will see him pop up in TNA since his Uncle is there.

The way TNA is pushing the X div if he was going to do it now would be the time.

Usually when they release a Superstar WWE puts them in a will not compete in anything else clause for a number of months. If he does make the jump I am suspecting it will probably be in about six months to a year.