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Tasuki

I can agree with Tuesday as well it seems the perfect day as not to compete with WWE.

Does TNA still have a weekly show?

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bimmy-lee

Sphydar called it like Ric Flair calling a 60 minute broadway. You’re all invited to my place for a viewing party October 2nd. I’ll have refreshments, they’ll all be things rasslers enjoyed in 1983.

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Yeah, it sure doesn’t seem like he’s coming back, aside from possible masked run ins at indie shows. A shame for wrestling fans, but oh well. He wasn’t transcendent, but he was fun to watch. The real shame is that he’d probably be even better now than he was when he left. He had shades of Hot Rod in him. If he cared about wrestling, he would be huge for AEW, but he doesn’t, so he won’t.

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Tasuki

So more news on AEW's schedule. The word going around is that they will do 51 TV shows a year (speculating that the week of Christmas they get off) and only 4 PPVs a year reason being to give storylines more time to grow and they don't feel rushed.

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Quarterly PPVs is great news. Feeding the monthly beast has directly impacted WWEs ability to produce interesting storylines. I’m interested to see how they crown their champions as well. I love a good tournament. Just talking out of my rear here, but I would be thrilled if they implemented a rankings system concerning contenders for the titles. It would present their brand as a sport, it would make wins and losses matter (thereby creating kayfabe), and it would be fun to keep tabs on the rankings.

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If he cared about wrestling.

That's a strange way of putting it and its one of the things he was talking about that annoys him.

Normally I'm not keen on retired wrestlers coming back but the rumours of Trish vs Charlotte at Summerslam are exciting me.

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@jump - Except for the part where he said he’s moved on from wrestling, and shared his personal philosophy of “eff it, on to the next thing.” He said he still cares about the fans he’s touched, but has no interest in the sport. He did say he thinks it’s dumb that strangers think they can dictate what he does with his life, and used an analogy about walking up to someone doing their job and telling them he thinks they should work at Wendy’s; but that’s not what I said. I said he doesn’t care about wrestling anymore, which was the entire crux of the interview.

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@jump - Except for the part where he said he’s moved on from wrestling, and shared his personal philosophy of “eff it, on to the next thing.” He said he still cares about the fans he’s touched, but has no interest in the sport. He did say he thinks it’s dumb that strangers think they can dictate what he does with his life, and used an analogy about walking up to someone doing their job and telling them he thinks they should work at Wendy’s; but that’s not what I said. I said he doesn’t care about wrestling anymore, which was the entire crux of the interview.

I was talking about how fans saying they know his complex feelings towards wrestling and askew his words to fit a narrative they believe ;P

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I heard on a podcast this week that Viceland has renewed the Dark Side docu series for a 10 episode second season, which is good news. Certainly there’s no shortage of material. Anyone have any speculative subjects for an episode? I’ve heard some pretty wild stories about Dino Bravo, seems like he might make an interesting subject. Pretty much anything Sheiky Baby has ever said or done could be an entire episode. Magnum TA seems like a tragedy they could tell. Maybe the story of how Kowalski became Killer. I’m curious how dark and scandalous they’ll go. Looking forward to it.

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Tasuki

@bimmy-lee Actually Killer Kowalski was a kind man and actual a vegetarian. He got the killer name when in one of his matches his opponent's ear fell off after Kowalski hit him with a knee drop. The wrestler's ear was already badly cauliflowered from years of abuse (cauliflower ear is quite common for wrestlers in fact stars such as Kurt Angle, Brock Lesnar and even John Cena have had it at one point in there life) and wrestling. Kowalski felt bad after it happened to the point where he visited the other wrestler in the hospital. Long story short he other guy forgave him, they had a laugh over it but afterwards Kowalski started to use it as a gimmick for his character, that he would maim his opponent's gleefully earning him the name Killer Kowalski.

Bonus Fact:. He trained Triple H, Chyna, Perry Saturn, Kofi Kingston and many other current and former wrestlers.

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@Tasuki - Whoops, yep, I switched around stories about a couple old legends. I should have said Ox Baker and the heart punch, not Kowalski and the ear. I haven’t seen a ton of Kowalski in the ring, but I’ve read up on him a bit, and I’m one of the weirdos who likes an iron claw finisher. It was Yukon Eric’s ear that came off. Baker wrestled a lot on TV when I was real young (Dick the Bruiser’s territory). He was really great, but he used his heart punch as a deadly gimmick after someone actually had a heart attack and died after receiving one.

I had cauliflower ear in high school and it was kind of brutal. My ear was all puffed up with fluid and it throbbed all the time. Went to my doctor, and he had never treated it and wasn’t sure what to do. I told him I thought he should use a syringe to suck out the fluid, so he did it, and it worked. My ear is only minorly deformed from it.

I’d love to see a long documentary on Benoit’s in ring career, but I sure hope Vice doesn’t go anywhere near that story for this series.

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I think they almost have to do the Benoit story as an episode. It's probably the biggest "scandal" in all of pro wrestling. I understand they wanted to stay away from it in the first season, but they're going to have to cover it eventually.

They could also get some great episodes out of both Magnum TA and Brian Pillman's stories.

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bimmy-lee

That’s a great vignette. Really enjoyed that.

My hope with Benoit is that when someone inevitably does the documentary about the end of his life, there can maybe be some medical information, or maybe even specific research of his case, available now that we didn’t have then. We know a lot more now about repeated head trauma, CTE, and proteins like tau, and I think it’s worth examining that in his case. It’s not like it will excuse him, but it does add some context. If Vice can pull that off, then I’ll be happy. It’ll be gross though if it seems exploitative.

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Tasuki

@bimmy-lee I think what it comes down to is the Benoit family. The last thing I heard is they want to keep away from the public eye and right so. I know that before they cremated him the had his brain studied and they said it was like the brain of an 80 year old Alzheimer's patient. After that his remains were cremated and his ashes scattered in an unknown location. His parents have declined several interviews over the years. Although I agree and it could be interesting.

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@Tasuki - Wow, see, I didn’t even know they did a brain study, but I’m really glad they did. Thanks for the info. In my opinion, that should be information included in the very first scene of a “Here’s the horrible things Chris Benoit did” documentary. I would much rather watch a two hour doc about his in ring career with full matches than a dark side doc about murder, but either way; it’s a step towards being able to acknowledge and discuss him again.

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Tasuki

@bimmy-lee Yeah I don't know if you remember WWE Superstar Christopher Nowinski (he was around in early to mid 2000s was a Tough Enough contestant who got a contract and his gimmick was a college graduate) but after he retired due to concussions he became an advocate for concussions and head injuries and steroids in WWE. Due to the media writing off Benoits behavior as "roid rage" and other steroid related problems he was determine that it was due to head trama over the years. Long story short he approached the Benoit family about his theory and persuade them to have his brain examined which they did and the rest is history.

Even though the facts point to head trama it still doesn't excuse that he did kill his own child and that is why the family doesn't talk about it for the most part. They acknowledge that it was horrible and he could have gone another way with it but sadly you are going to get people who only see it as highlighting a child killer which is why they don't bring it up in public.

Of.course after the Benoit tradegy it's why the WWE has become more concerned about head injuries going as far as banning chair shots to the head and flying head butts (also why AEW got so much slack for the Cody head shot a few months ago).

But now I am sure I am not telling you anything you don't know. Lol.

But yeah the story behind Benoit's problems is an interesting one albeit a sad one.

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Of.course after the Benoit tradegy it's why the WWE has become more concerned about head injuries going as far as banning chair shots to the head and flying head butts (also why AEW got so much slack for the Cody head shot a few months ago).

The flying headbutt isn't banned, Daniel Bryan is still doing it and he's a guy who has already had to retire before because of concussion issues. The flying headbutt biggest problem isn't actually causing a concussion (although it is still a concern), it's how it vibrates on impact against the spine which is where Dynamite Kid's problems came from.

WWE list of banned moves is silly at times, Triple H's Pedigree ended up crippling someone but it is still around.

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