Topic: Windows 10

I don't mind a new OS, but I find it really annoying that I have to update much of my software to run on it as that often incurs unfair expense. It's fine when the developer releases a patch, but when I have to buy a whole new version just because of incompatibility, it drives me nuts. I have Windows 8, but have to run XP and 7 in virtual machines just so I can use my old Adobe software, etc. I can't really afford to spend an extra couple of thousand pounds to replace software I already have and that serves my needs perfectly anyway. It feels like a bit of a scam. There are workarounds and i do use them, but I resent being courted by consumerism.

I only read that as a minor rumor started by an indonesian website. I highly doubt it'll be free for Windows 8 users, even for a limited time.

It really isn't...it still costs you more money, and it just makes it so people stop supporting older versions faster. Not to mention you have to download updates more frequently....

Actually, Apple has been extending the life of their computers as of late. And is downloading updates that big of a deal breaker?

Seems like a pretty great update and is fixing most of the issues people had with Windows 8 A bit funny how this thread has a bit of FUD in it though.

Same reason why the Mac has an App store. For the laymen user n App store is so much easier to use than going by website to website.

Not at all. Honestly only ios/android are bad when it comes to OS updates. Hell Yosemite is pretty essential for anyone in the apple ecosystem, and honesty if you have a mac but not an iPhone or an ipad your a bit of an idiot.

Windows 7 to Windows 8.1 isn't an "upgrade." It's a downgrade. It's a worse OS. Most Windows users know this, which is why Windows 7 still dominates market share. People aren't upgrading just because the new OS comes out. Microsoft has to give people a reason to upgrade or they simply won't.

Windows XP was a very well-liked OS, one of the most well-liked of all time. It had a 12 year cycle. My work just upgraded to Windows 7 in April after support for XP finally ended. As of last month, it still has a 24% market share (compared to 13% for Windows 8/8.1, 4% for OS X, and 3% for Vista). Most people don't upgrade to the new Windows OS when it comes out. It's been 2 years since Windows 8 launched and it hasn't dented 7's market share at all. In fact, 7's market share has increased since 8 launched because it's sucking up XP's share. People aren't upgrading from XP to 8. They're upgrading from XP to 7.

Windows 7 is a very well-liked OS for home PCs and is pretty much office standard everywhere in the world. It's not going anywhere until at least 2020. By then, I'll likely be buying a new PC anyway, so cost of the OS is a total non-issue to me.

Meh. Too bad that logic doesn't work for yearly iPhone buyers. They buy anything that Apple releases. They "hated" bigger screen phones, and now they love it 'cause Apple's doing it, NFC was "useless", but now Apple's doing it, etc.

I think what they're doing with the new Windows looks about right. It has all the benefits of the older Windows(presumably, besides legacy programs maybe) and all the modern features I would expect from a PC, at least. That little "live" Start interface looks like it would come in handy, especially with cloud technology. I think people just need to accept new versions of Windows. I aleays hear b***ing every time the new Windows comes out. It's not really anything new, TBH.

I got to agree, but I still favor Android, because I just think it does more, and sooner than iPhone does. I'd say it's the other way around as far as supporting Apple products, though. iPhone users should be buying MAC, because they'll get more benefits from their other Apple devices(mainly iPhone). It could work the other way, too, but I just figure more people like iPhone than MAC, and Apple isn't convincing people to buy their other products for more support for all their other products.

Whenever I see someone hook up their iPhone to a PC, it is pretty hilarious, though. I think Google is in the best position for having part of mobile and PC.

Not really. Recently, there was only backlash against Vista and Win 8. XP and Win 7 were both very well received and almost immediately dominated the market. 2 years into its life cycle, Win 7 was the most dominant OS on the market. It's still growing and now has over a 50% market share. At the same point in its life, Win 8 is struggling to gain foothold and still isn't anywhere close in share to XP, a 13-year old OS that isn't even supported anymore. Optimizing an OS for tablets was a huge mistake.

Ya, so the answer would be to upgrade to Windows 7 or maybe wait for this new one, if it really matters. I had problems with Vista and 8, too, but only in specific cases like dealing with hardware and settings, so I kind of get that.

I don't think people should be selling 10 short, just yet. From what I see, it brings the best of what Windows 7 and 8 were good at, because we can't just pretend that 8 was complete crap. It still brought good ideas to the table. The Windows management looks alot better, and I figure all this will at least benefit Xbox One.

EDIT: Also, I've read or heard about complaints on everything. There's a reason why people are staying with XP, even with 7 around, afterall.

Windows 8.1 isn't total crap. It's just a worse PC OS than Win 7 and a worse mobile OS than Android.

I have a laptop/tablet hybrid that runs Win 8.1, and it's actually fairly useful there. I run Classic Shell so that it functions like Win 7 when I have the keyboard and mouse out, but it still has all the apps and touch features tucked away for when I fold down the screen and get out the stylus. But hybrids really don't have much of a market presence right now. For the 99% of laptop owners who can't fold down the screen and use their laptop as a tablet, everything new in Win 8.1 is still pretty pointless.

As for 10, it's ugly and cluttered. Not a fan. That's just me though. I mean, I really don't like clutter.

Meh. You can probably put it away. I personally like the clutter. It makes it seem like there's more going on. At least the clutter is organized into boxes. That's how I see it.

This may be an old-fashioned way of thinking, but in order for me to invest hundreds of dollars into any product, it has to convince me that it's solving an existing problem. With Taskbar, Start Menu, and keyboard shortcuts, I've never had any problem whatsoever accessing anything I need on my PC. Everything I use, for work, for play, for whatever, is 0.5 seconds away. No more than 2 clicks. No more than Ctrl + Shift + (x). So the addition of apps is solving a problem that, for me anyway, never existed.

So maybe I can "put away" all the features I'll never use in Win 10... but then I'm just using an ugly version of Win 7 again. Why?

I get that it's still early and a lot of features are yet to be unveiled. Being so open to feedback is also a great step and part of what made Win 7 so successful (remember the "I'm a PC and Windows 7 was my idea" campaign?). But so far, I'm not convinced it's a product that I need to spend money on. Multiple virtual displays would be a cool idea if people who actually needed it didn't already have multiple actual displays.

I'll admit that the ability to snap 4 windows caught my eye. Seems like something that could just as easily be implemented in Win 7/8 though. Probably will be by a modder.

It is a better OS in the ways that matter.

Performance / Multiple Monitor Support / Better Task Manager.

Only people it is worse for is people who don't use Windows 7 properly to start with. (i.e Keyboard Shortcuts and launching apps by pressing the Windows key and typing).

There is one annoying thing in 8 setting the border padding needs a registry edit.

Its impossible for Windows 8.1 to be a downgrade considering its nothing but an improved WIndows 7 glued to an Improved Windows 8 and sets the foundation for 10. Were already seeing a few things from 10 that looks good especially for someone who doesn't care for the tablet portions.

It seems they're doubling down on the app store and one OS which you may not like since they've said that the next version of WIndows Phone is Windows 10. But it seems they're improving the tiled apps to run on the desktop (a god send for a nice looking RSS reader on the desktop for windows). and even the snapping has been improved.

When your on Windows as a desktop you get a nice normal start menu but with the added bonus of pinning tiles to the side which seems quite useful is you do you the store apps.

Rather if your on a convertible the OS prompts you to go into tablet mode if the keyboard is gone, and Tablet mode looks smartly improved based on the screensize.

I'm more interested in what Microsoft will use to replace the charms bar (the weird right swipe bar for windows 8) since its become incredibly useful with touch since using windows 8.

But yeah Windows 10 is going to be on everything Microsoft made next year.
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Personally I find the flatness of 10 on the desktop and refined metro to look better than Windows 7, i'm hoping the icons are changed to be flat as well. (a few already are looking at the above screenshot.). But Going by your post about it being Ugly your probably not a fan of Android L or the new look of Ios 8/Mac OS.

Yes. I update my computer 3 times a year and that's annoying enough as it is...

If you're going to quote me, at least read what I posted.

Win8/10 do not solve any existing problem for me. There is no feature that either have (yet revealed) that makes my life easier, faster, or better. Worse, the UI is clunkier and less intuitive.

As for apps, Firefox already offers me "apps" (Bookmarks) that are just as convenient, but more functional and more organized. I don't need or want the Windows Store to dice up the internet into 100 bite-sized pieces for me. I know how to internet. I don't need apps.

Maybe I don't represent the average consumer (lol, I do, 52% market share), but no, Win 7 is just fine, thanks.

You really don't, while it true that 52% of the market share on windows 7 doesn't use the app how many in that market share would fall under enterprise deployment.

The success of iOS, android, and the Mac app store has pretty much shown that users for better or worse prefer the web appfied. Google themselves tried to play the whole web is powerful as an app game with Chromebooks and only a few years into it, they've given up on that and are porting android apps to the platform

I would agree with you where windows is concerned that your in the majority but looking at the overall marketplace you being a power user is becoming more and more less common place.