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Topic: What's everyone's thoughts on the FCC planning to ruin the entire internet?

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NEStalgia

@KirbyTheVampire It's not always the easiest route to take, but that's a great position to have!

And yeah, not only is the society, and worse the internet at large overwhelmingly blue pill, but on issues like these, the companies involved in the issue are the very ones that distribute blue pills by the truckload making it that much harder to find reality......

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SMEXIZELDAMAN

Wow NEStalgia is mvp of this thread it seems.

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Dude... Mad props.

I didn't really have much of an opinion on the matter because I wasn't informed. But I clicked this forum to learn more... And I most definitely did.

That one single post covered it all. Not only do I understand it, I understand it.

Single best post you've ever made.

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LzWinky

Well, the FCC is not legally obligated to protect net neutrality because there is no legislation.

Second, we only had net neutrality since 2015. Given the competitive state of the internet now with wireless networks, I doubt throttling services will be very popular with customers.

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Haruki_NLI

The negative is the idea that ISPs can limit/push their own owned services via faster connections and effectively charge a "tax" on companies they don't like/competitors or give them slower connections.

Of course, this is also a US thing. I've had to say numerous times on Twitter, to all the people saying "If you think it doesn't impact you, youre wrong", well in truth, it doesn't, because I'm not in the US citizen, and that also means I cant ring a congressman or tell em how I feel, because I'm not American and lack that right. The US isn't the entire world after all, despite what some people think.

One thing I do enjoy though is this particular infographic going around that says "This is how much you pay now. This is how much you pay under the changes" and it actually shows the changes being cheaper (They didn't think that through).

So while I am against the anti-competitive aspects like slower connections to services or sites the ISPs want to charge extra for, I am very much FOR paying what you use. Like I don't use Netflix or Amazon Prime. Why would I pay for a fast connection to something I wont use? Why should other people pay for things they don't use? It basically would act like a phone contract, where your data plan is based on what you use.

So again, the anti-competitive moves and the anti-consumer moves of speed throttling are the bad thing. The idea that you pay for what you use....really isn't. In fact I know many people who would actually prefer that, like with their TV boxes, not paying for channels they don't use.

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Tyranexx

@NEStalgia: Thank you for laying that out as plainly as you did. It's a topic that I've been seeing a bit of buzz about on my news feed lately, but unfortunately haven't had a lot of time to read up on. Usually when I do read up on such things (particularly when politics are involved), it's quite hard to differentiate the facts from the obvious bias and propaganda for/against something.

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NEStalgia

@SMEXIZELDAMAN @JaxonH @Tyranexx thanks, all! I can't fix the whole world, but if i was able to shed some perspective for a few of you here, i at least did something!

All of you in the US, happy Thanksgiving!

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KAI_MIDORIKAWA

NEStalgia wrote:

"Google at the top of the internet, and a handful of cloud vendors is how it's always been." What a bleak present....

Well, the earliest I can remember using the internet, Google was only a search engine, but it was also the only relevant search engine, or at least the only one I used. I guess that's after the era you're talking about...

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skywake

Ultimately Net Neutrality was about separating content providers from service providers. Purely because unlike other utilities the internet can be controlled. Imagine if your power company owned Sony and decided to make your XBox perform slower on their power network. That's basically what we're talking about here.

I'd argue that the ideal broadband network would have one single possibly government owned company rolling out the physical hardware. Not unlike what most people are used to for power, water, gas, roads etc. Then ontop of that you have ISPs who sell you a service through that wholesale network, competing on speeds/price/service etc. Again, not unlike what what you see with other utilities. Then ontop of that you buy extra content, Netflix or whatever which would be the power grid equivalent of buying a TV or an Aircon.

Around the world often what happens is the reverse of that. You have a competing companies who roll out the hardware but often to areas where their competitors aren't. You then often only have the option of one ISP because they're the ones who happened to roll out decent hardware in your area. And when you buy their service they do everything they can to make their content more appealing. Which wouldn't be an issue if consumers had the option to pick somebody else, which they don't.

crimsontadpoles wrote:

Umm, internet exists outside of the US as well. It's nonsense to say that it's going to ruin the internet. Instead, it's just going to make accessing content worse for people in the US.

Except that most content providers and tech companies are based in the US. So the policies that exist in the US which influence which providers live and die will impact us all.

YummyHappyPills wrote:

So while I am against the anti-competitive aspects like slower connections to services or sites the ISPs want to charge extra for, I am very much FOR paying what you use. Like I don't use Netflix or Amazon Prime. Why would I pay for a fast connection to something I wont use?

Well here's the thing, with every other utility or service there are always some people who are paying for others. Some kinds of consumption are harder to serve than others. That's just how it is and it's not necessarily a bad thing. Infact depending on how pricing works it may even be those people using the services you don't pay for who are making these companies the most money. If you're a heavy Netflix user you're more likely to buy a higher speed plan anyways, right?

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skywake

@NEStalgia
I think you have it backwards. Companies like Netflix & Google don't want net neutrality because they "refuse to pay" for the infrastructure required to deliver their content. They have more than enough capacity and, in a lot of cases, are one of the few kinds of content that isn't throttled. Service providers are often judged based on how consumers perceive their networks perform. Netflix and Youtube are the two main places end users are going to see poor performance. Which is why this happens...

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Additionally, this idea that the "internet was designed to be P2P"? Well that's a bit of an odd thing to bring up. Because in Australia at least and around 2005 the first thing that was throttled by ISPs were torrents. With the exact same arguments on the costs to infrastructure as you are making here. The only major difference being that it's much easier to have the moral high ground when it's piracy you're throttling.

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