Topic: What are the best 3D Mario(s) in your opinion?

Yeah, sorry about that Spoiler, cooladam.

Sunshine.

All of them. They are Mario.

Sorry, how does FLUDD override all traditional Mario Skill? I mean it's all a matter of opinion, of course--Isle Delfino is my favorite hub world in any videogame ever, and I found it's inhabitants charming. I thought Shadow Mario was kind of cool, even if it was a bit generic. The only problem I had with the entire game was the voice acting, but the story itself was great.

Jumping is Mario's forte, and yet now he can hover and rocket to the sky. Jumping on enemies was once how he rolled, but now he can just shoot them. If Nintendo wants to make a new game, more power to them, but why they have to drag Mario into everything, I don't know.

Anything besides Super Mario Sunshine. I'm pretty sure I've never mentioned it, but I really dislike that game.

well, it has no gimmicks other than the fact that hes in SPACE

That's not a gimmick. Running on spheres is a first for mario so it's more of an innovation than a gimmick.

I'm pretty sure the Ratchet and Clank series did it first, so you can't really call it an innovation.

Well, I still had way more fun with one minute playing Super Mario Galaxy than even one level in Ratchet&Clank.

I liked Shadow Mario, until I found out who it really was anyway. Then, I didn't like him!

I am still not over how awesome Super Mario Galaxy is. It is superior to Super Mario 64 in most areas. I can't seem to enjoy Super Mario Sunshine, though.

Yes heaven forbid we try to innovate the Mario series and try new things with it.

Heaven forbid we completely misunderstand the word innovate to mean "replace with something completely different but not necessarily better."

Only 3D Mario(s) I've played are Galaxy and 64. I'd say Galaxy is the best

64 was great for its time, but Galaxy is definitely out of its league.

You mean like Mario being in space?

What do you mean about it "being out of it's league"? The game is fantastic nonetheless.

Last time I checked, Sunshine was not set in space. If you're going to defend Sunshine's FLUDD mechanics by bringing up its superior sequel which ditched the FLUDD entirely, well, I'll be eager to see how this argument shapes up.

Galaxy builds on Mario 64. Same skills, but enhanced by an extra shake jump, and complicated by gravity situations. Same skill set, though, but innovated situationally and with one additional skill. Sunshine, however, implements a whole new set of skills that renders your old skill set mostly unnecessary. No real point in jumping around when you can just hover or rocket there. No use jumping on enemies when you can just shoot them.

Of course, Galaxy has the shooting enemies aspect, too, which I thought was pointless, making an already easy game easier and making your jumping skills less important. I'm not sure what assumption you're working under, but just to make it clear, I'm not a Galaxy fan either, though I definitely think it's a step in the right direction after Sunshine. As I've stated earlier on, I'm not a huge fan of any of the 3D Marios, but there are specific levels I enjoy in each, Sunshine's FLUDDless levels actually being my favorites, though the rest of the game was so unenjoyable and unMario that it sinks to the bottom of my preferred 3D Mario list.

Like Sunshine all you want, I was just answering your question as to why so many don't like it. Shake your innovative finger if you must, but innovation does not necessarily equate with fun.

OK.