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I must say, this is becoming quite disturbing. 0_o
what about 2 male cheerleaders? a chicken and a fairy man? your band would become veeery popular
Edited on Fri 31st July, 2009 @ 15:29 by Adam
Come on, friends,
To the bear arcades again.
Either you go to Heaven, Hell, or you're reincarnated like Fluke the dog or Kagome. I don't believe death is final. And for you athiests answer one question for me: if everything is the result of chance, how come does everything work in harmony so well? A big explosion couldn't make things work so well I don't think.
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Makes more sense than some sky fairy who magicked everything into being, I stopped believing in god when I was 10, I just decided I'm too old for such stories.
RabidPikachu wrote:Either you go to Heaven, Hell, or you're reincarnated like Fluke the dog or Kagome. I don't believe death is final. And for you athiests answer one question for me: if everything is the result of chance, how come does everything work in harmony so well? A big explosion couldn't make things work so well I don't think.Makes more sense than some sky fairy who magicked everything into being, I stopped believing in god when I was 10, I just decided I'm too old for such stories.
The laws of physics disprove evolution because a ape has never in our life times given birth to a human baby. If evolution were true we'd be seeing drastic evolutionary traits especially with selective breeding going on. Did you know that chimps and other apes while they do share a large percentage of our DNA can be our organ donors but a pig (Which share like 75% DNA with us) can give heart transplants? Plus if we are related to apes we should be able to reproduce with apes like dogs and wolves can reproduce but I've never heard of such a thing have you?
Evolution is a long process, and separates us from distant relatives, besides evolution is a theory while Religion on the other hand is well I don't want to offend so I'll end it there.
Edited on Fri 31st July, 2009 @ 17:17 by Reala
Well I can't say one way or another. I myself believe in certain aspects of evolution such as natural selection. And I do know dogs "evolved" from wolves because they can breed with one another. I just don't think we share a common ancester with apes. We are similar with them in alot of ways, but the 2% difference in DNA structure seems too far apart, especially considering the the 2% difference is enough to where you don't see half human babies running around. I'm not saying it isn't possible, but the law of physics says in quote: "Matter cannot be created or destroyed". How then did a speck explode without cause to create more matter than what it originally consisted of?
Edited on Fri 31st July, 2009 @ 17:28 by RabidPikachu
Yeah I'm the same way.
I keep him/her/it in the same category as Santa Claus and the Tooth fairy.
Everything works in harmony "so well," as you put it, because that's the world we are born into. We are the ones saying it works "so well" and we are saying it because it's what we have.
It would be like if you closed your eyes, and I put an orange on the table in front of you. You'd open your eyes and look at the orange and acknowledge it's an orange. I COULD have put a tennis ball on the table, but that doesn't mean you'd look at the orange and say, "What a poor excuse for a tennis ball."
Your reality is what you see. When you open your eyes and see an orange, you judge it by its own standards. There were infinite possibilities of what could have been put on the table before you, but they're irrelevant the moment you recognize it as an orange, because that's what you actually have.
"What are the odds" is an invalid question. Yes, it's true, the odds of a gigantic explosion arranging the universe in such a way that life as we know it could evolve to these exact specifications is something like 0.0000000000000000000000000001%, to be generous. Fine. Those are also the odds that, out of everything in existence, I chose to put an orange on the table in front of you. It doesn't matter if the odds were 0.0000000000000000000000000001%. You have the orange, and that's that. You can calculate the odds to be 0.0000000000000000000000000001%, but in practice, the odds turned out to be 100%.
Ditto evolution. "What are the odds?" is not a valid question. If it happened, it happened. If it didn't, it didn't. 100% or 0%. Anything in between is theoretical, and doesn't affect any outcome.
That is true that reality is what you make it. But any of us could be wrong. God may exist or he may not. The Big Bang could have happened or it could be just another bogus theory. The truth is we don't know unless we see it. We just have our belief and thats all we'll ever have.
Faith versus science is a false choice.
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@CowLaunch: I don't want to sound overly self-righteous here, but there are some people who call themselves Christians but do not living according to the Word of God. The Bible clearly says that Jesus is the only way to Heaven (John 3:16, a very famous verse).
@Chicken Brutus: A just God cannot allow a person who still has a sinful nature into His perfect kingdom. All humans are born with a sin nature because of the Original Sin (Adam & Eve in the garden), and it's only through Jesus that this nature can be cleansed. I understand why you wouldn't want to believe this, but it's all spelled out quite clearly, and pretending it's not does nobody any good.
@Machu: Of COURSE it turned religious; it's an inherently religious question!
@Venetta: Amen to that! Only problem is, what we have nowadays is faith vs. junk science. The Bible confirmed many scientific facts long before scientists figured them out, but most people ignore that fact. It does not ever conflict with true, provable scientific fact.
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@CowLaunch: I don't want to sound overly self-righteous here, but there are some people who call themselves Christians but do not living according to the Word of God. The Bible clearly says that Jesus is the only way to Heaven (John 3:16, a very famous verse).@Chicken Brutus: A just God cannot allow a person who still has a sinful nature into His perfect kingdom. All humans are born with a sin nature because of the Original Sin (Adam & Eve in the garden), and it's only through Jesus that this nature can be cleansed. I understand why you wouldn't want to believe this, but it's all spelled out quite clearly, and pretending it's not does nobody any good.@Machu: Of COURSE it turned religious; it's an inherently religious question!@Venetta: Amen to that! Only problem is, what we have nowadays is faith vs. junk science. The Bible confirmed many scientific facts long before scientists figured them out, but most people ignore that fact. It does not ever conflict with true, provable scientific fact.
If you are talking about the Bible, those stories can often be found in much earlier religions, the writers of the Bible are lucky there was no copyright laws back then or the Bible would have been sued out of existence.
Edited on Fri 31st July, 2009 @ 18:02 by Reala
@ Stuffgamer1: Yes I agree with this. I'm positive there is a God, I believe in science too, and neither the Bible nor true scientific research can deny one another. The problem with some people today is that they're willing to hear anything but the truth. I believe in what the Bible says because history and archeology have proven it so (Like the book of Revelation and its symbolic prediction of the fall of the Roman empire and the rise of the Pope in 2 Thessalonians chapther 2).
@Blaze: Well, Christianity has its roots in the Jewish faith, y'know. Our old Testament is all sacred text to them, as well. Only difference is, they don't recognize Jesus as the Messiah they've been waiting for. Aside from that (in case there are other religions you reference that I don't know about), the Bible was written over a period of about 4000 years. It should come as no surprise that other religions would take parts of it as their own, especially since much of the Old Testament is really just a historical record in the first place!
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There are far older religions than the ones represented by the bible, with last suppers, resurrection stories tales of good vs evil etc etc, just like almost all Christian holidays are of Pagan origin almost all the stories of the Bible can be found in some form or another elsewhere way before the bible was thought of, and to say the Bible is truth, are the other religions lies?
Edited on Fri 31st July, 2009 @ 18:21 by Reala
Only if you are religious it is. To me, it's a question that already has an answer... the biogeochemical cycle.
@Blaze: Again, you're talking New Testament stuff. What about the Old Testament? That was being written as early as Moses times (roughly 4000 years ago), having been passed down orally until that time. And sometimes, overlapping stories provides proof that it happened. Don't take this example too far, as I don't mean to claim anything about King Arthur, but in Tomb Raider: Legend, Alister points out that everybody has the "Great Flood" story. Know why? I believe it's because it happened, along with everything else the Bible contains.
@Machu: Even so, it was a given that a religious person would come along and give his/her answer eventually, yes? Actually, your biological answer with no thought to religion is in and of itself a religious answer, inasmuch as you prove yourself an athiest by your answer. Folk like Adam just prove themselves goofballs, though.
It's true that every single Christain holiday used to be pagan. That's why I celebrate Christmas and Easter as secular holidays cause I know Jesus was really born sometime in the late spring or early fall (not December 25 like most people believe).
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